[WIP] Dynamic Environment SH5

[bart]

Originally Posted by tonschk

You can try if you want the Real Environmental Mod , Real environmental Mod is not yet perfect but at least dont have the grey sky problem

Just a quick question, I've seen this background thats in this screen shot in summer colours...i.e. green, and here it is with snow on the ground. Does dynamic environment do this depending on the date/season that you happen to be playing at the time?

I haven't seen this yet in the game, just got to october with MMM 0:3 in the soup....

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by bart

Just a quick question, I've seen this background thats in this screen shot in summer colours...i.e. green, and here it is with snow on the ground. Does dynamic environment do this depending on the date/season that you happen to be playing at the time?

I haven't seen this yet in the game, just got to october with MMM 0:3 in the soup....

I am using the same SH5 single mission to test modifications, when I enable Dynamic Envirom the background is green, when I enable Real Enviro the background has snow as when I dont enable any enviro Mods (i.e. = stock SH5 enviro)

[gap]

Originally Posted by tonschk

I am using the same SH5 single mission to test modifications, when I enable Dynamic Envirom the background is green, when I enable Real Enviro the background has snow as when I dont enable any enviro Mods (i.e. = stock SH5 enviro)

Thank you tonschk,
DynEnv is changing stock season's durations as well as their starting and ending dates, while other mods are using more or less stock values. For exact ranges just have a glance at this table:



I had posted it in this post, together with other informations useful for beta reporting, but is seems that very few have read it... (by the way, stoianm: can you put a link to that post in the first page of the mod?).

Anyway, answering in short to your question, what you are experiencing can be a feature or a bug. In order to unravel the doubts I need you to answer to the questions I posed to bart in my reply to his post?

Anyone else noticed similar issues?

With your answers I'll see what can be done.

[bart]

Originally Posted by tonschk

I am using the same SH5 single mission to test modifications, when I enable Dynamic Envirom the background is green, when I enable Real Enviro the background has snow as when I dont enable any enviro Mods (i.e. = stock SH5 enviro)

In response to gap's questions can you tell me the location of that screen shot in the above photo please?

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by bart

In response to gap's questions can you tell me the location of that screen shot in the above photo please?

That is the single mission (Historical Mission) "Trotz Allem" 13 April 1940, I installed SH5 with german lenguage, I dont know if you install SH5 english version may be all the names of the single missions can be in english or german, is the second single mission from top to bottom of stock single missions list

[bart]

Originally Posted by tonschk

That is the single mission (Historical Mission) "Trotz Allem" 13 April 1940, I installed SH5 with german lenguage, I dont know if you install SH5 english version may be all the names of the single missions can be in english or german, is the second single mission from top to bottom of stock single missions list

Ok, thanks

[gap]

Originally Posted by tonschk

That is the single mission (Historical Mission) "Trotz Allem" 13 April 1940, I installed SH5 with german lenguage, I dont know if you install SH5 english version may be all the names of the single missions can be in english or german, is the second single mission from top to bottom of stock single missions list

Okay, thank you again tonschk,

as you can see from my seasons chart, 13th April is winter for northern polar and subpolar climate (Polar and Polar_A -black and blue- in my colored map). If the mission is located outside those zones, its current season is spring, and it is normal to have a green landscape in it.

Can you please check in game its coordinates? Currently I don't have SH5 installed on my PC, otherwise I would do it myself

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by gap

Okay, thank you again tonschk,

as you can see from my seasons chart, 13th April is winter for northern polar and subpolar climate (Polar and Polar_A -black and blue- in my colored map). If the mission is located outside those zones, its current season is spring, and it is normal to have a green landscape in it.

Can you please check in gae its coordinates? Currently I don't have SH5 installed on my PC, otherwise I would do it myself

May I ask you what is gae coordinates?

[misha1967]

Thanks for all the info, Gap!

For more details let's wait for stoianm's comments, and if you get out improving our mod, keep us informed on your progress.

I'm afraid that I'll have to wait for stoianm's comments, as my modding prowess when it comes to environment files like that leaves a bit to be desired. Think of a monkey with ten thumbs trying to do brain surgery blindfolded

[gap]

Originally Posted by tonschk

May I ask you what is gae coordinates?

don't you understand creative english?
"gae" stands for "game" in my personal english-based idiom: check in game the coordinates (latitude and longitude) for that particular spot that we were talking about.

Sorry for the mistyping anyway

[pedrobas]

I´m following this with great interest.

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by gap

Can you please check in game its coordinates? Currently I don't have SH5 installed on my PC, otherwise I would do it myself

The place is somewhere north area of Norway between 68N-69N and 17E-18E , I hope this can help

If you need I can take a shot of the map and post here

[THE_MASK]

Have you seen how many files are in this mod . The only thing that needs fixing is the blue skies with no clouds . The rest of the mod is superb and i love it .

[gap]

Originally Posted by tonschk

The place is somewhere north area of Norway between 68N-69N and 17E-18E , I hope this can help

If you need I can take a shot of the map and post here

Thank you tonschk, those coordinates are enough

I've made some research.
The next image shows the location of your screenshot as a red spot, on google earth (left):



On the right I've located (more or less) the same place on the map used as base in DynEnv.

As you can see those coordinates are laying in an area where blue and cyan pixels have been blended for rendering a climate of transition between subartic and cold temperate (Polar_A and Temperate respectively in our cfg files). In such areas conditions may vary depending on were exactly (wich pixel of the map) you are located. In this particular case it means that that both snowy or not snowy land could be possible outputs because, due to our season settings, april is still winter for subpolar climate, and spring for cold temperate climate (look at my seasons chart).

On the other hand, on google earth's map I've highlighted in yellow the position of Kiruna, the northernmost city of Norwey, not too far from the coordinates you gave me, but in inland. According to wikipedia, its daily mean temperature for the month of april is slightly under 0°C (-3.2°C). I am coming from an hot place, so I am no an expert on that matter, but I think that under these temperatures it may or may not snow, especially toward the cost of northern Norwey, where the North Atlantic Current is mitigating the climate. By the way: is there any Norwegian SH5 player here that can confirm or disconfirm my assumptions?

Anyway this is not exactly our point: we want to demonstrate that DynEnv is (or maybe is not) messing up land seasons. The location we chose is not the best one for our case study, because of the mixed pixels method that I was talking about before, and because the month of the historical mission we are using for test. Before sailing to another place I would like to ask you to visit the same location in campaign between december and february, or to load once more the same mission after installing this patch:

http://www.mediafire.com/?kzcc2t6g7wnpqfp

enable it after Dynamic Environment Base Mod, any version. In both cases it should be snowy, or at least I hope so...

[gap]

Originally Posted by bart

Just a quick question, I've seen this background thats in this screen shot in summer colours...i.e. green, and here it is with snow on the ground. Does dynamic environment do this depending on the date/season that you happen to be playing at the time?

I haven't seen this yet in the game, just got to october with MMM 0:3 in the soup....

nice remark, bart,
I was waiting for it: land seasons could be messed up with the use of DynEnv. I was waiting for user's reports before putting my hands on it again. I got 4 questions for you:

- Are you sure that the background featured in tonschk's screenshot is the same you visited?

- Could you locate it in the map I've put in post #575? Giving me the hemisphere and a color (black, blue, cyan, green, etc.) for the sea surrounding that area would be enough.

- Can you provide me with the exact date, or maybe a narrow range, on wich you were there?

- Could you visit again that location in midwinter (preferably december, january or february) and report again?


Has anyone experienced inverted land seasons with the use of Dynamic Environment?