Yet another school shooting

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Karle94

Personally I believe it will be much better if someone is shot, rather than stabbed. If you`re stabbed in the gut, you have a very slim chance of surviving, unless there`s a hospital in the immediate vecinity. If you`re shot on the other hand, all you have to do is cover up the wound and keep it clean, unless the gunshot killed the victim immedietly. A stab wound is so much bigger and will lead to a much bigger blood loss, almost guaranteeing a kill. Not to mention that stabbing is much more painful.

Please, do not enter medicine. I have never been shot, been shot at. Have been stabbed , but only a glancing blow.

I have treated countless numbers of both, and it is far worse to be shot.

[Ducimus]

Personally, and I don't know about anyone else, but I have a really BAD allergic reaction to cold steel and hot lead. I don't want either one entering my body.

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

Please, do not enter medicine. I have never been shot, been shot at. Have been stabbed , but only a glancing blow.

I have treated countless numbers of both, and it is far worse to be shot.

Damn, that was my number one career choice.

[Ducimus]

Karle94, what your missing here, is things like hydrostatic shock, velocity, and all those nfity techncial terms.

Watch this:



See that channel behind the bullet? That's the damage you can't see. That's what a round does to your internal organs if your hit in the chest or stomach.

There's a reason why exit wounds are larger the entry wounds.

A knife by compairson, while it will surely kill you if it hits a vital organ or artery, lacks this added effect.

[AngusJS]

Umm... you can run from a guy with a knife. You cannot outrun a bullet. You cannot spray a room with knives. You can with a gun.

If it were possible to force kids to use knives or other melee weapons, that would be a good thing.

But come on, we all know that the real answer is to just arm all the students so they'll be able to take an attacker themselves. At least according to the the gun nuts.

[Ducimus]

Only real answer, that i can think of, is a damn airport security styled metal detector you have to walk through when entering a high school.

I hate saying that, because its typical Nanny over reactionary knee jerk reaction.

I do remember when I was in high school though. Gang violence was A LOT higher then it is now. My high school had 6 drive by's, they removed ALL lockers so you had to carry ALL your books, ALL the time, had several secruity guards, and later on having a full time Local PD office set up - and i went to the good high school. The other was worse.

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Only real answer, that i can think of, is a damn airport security styled metal detector you have to walk through when entering a high school.

I hate saying that, because its typical Nanny over reactionary knee jerk reaction.

I do remember when I was in high school though. Gang violence was A LOT higher then it is now. My high school had 6 drive by's, they removed ALL lockers so you had to carry ALL your books, ALL the time, had several secruity guards, and later on having a full time Local PD office set up - and i went to the good high school. The other was worse.

Actually, posting policemen or a dedicated security team to a school isn´t such a bad idea. It costs more, but it´ll money well spent.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Karle94

Actually, posting policemen or a dedicated security team to a school isn´t such a bad idea. It costs more, but it´ll money well spent.

Right, been down that road. Next step is unrestricted searches, Orwellian policies. No thank you.

And what would a security guard at one door have done for the kid in he cafeteria?


Was just informed that one of my coworkers kid is one of the injured.

[Stealhead]

"Only real answer, that i can think of, is a damn airport security styled metal detector you have to walk through when entering a high school."

Actually many schools in tougher areas have been doing this for over a decade now.If you look at it the crazy kid shooting others it usually happens at the nicer schools not the bad ones.Look at Columbine that school was and still is one of the best public schools in Colorado.Most schools in the US today have one full time LE officer in Florida and Louisiana they are called school resource officers I do not know what sates have them and what one don't.But even one LE officer is not gong to stop one nut bag ans that is the whole problem nuts are nuts and they are going to do what they are going to do not much really that can be done about it if they cant use a gun they will use a knife cant spree at school they will spree in the town.I am sure it has been an age old problem some nut I am sure on more than one occasion went round the village splitting wigs.

I agree with the others getting stabbed or shot is bad I'll pass on both thanks. running around stabbing someone is actually more violent as well the person who goes that route over a gun is truly a violent person in choosing such a personal way to kill.And you cant out run a bullet but moving makes you a harder target if you are trapped in a corner either weapon has your number even if you try to fight back.Either can be deadly depending on how you get hit either can cause shock though generally speaking bullets are much deadlier and CCIP even military FMJ rounds are very very nasty and they are more likely to pass though one person and hit another than JHPs and such the worst type for one person would be the expanding rounds designed for hunting big game you get hit by one of these in the head or torso you are very likely going to die even if you are a 1000+ pound bull moose well any most any head wound if it hits your brain or brain steam and you are finished unless you get very lucky like Cathy Giffords which i am guessing that that Glock must have had FMJs and she was close enough that the bullet went right though and did not have time to tumble as it passed through her head which shows that the primary effect with a bullet is pretty much what it happens to hit the type of round and the velocity at impact some times too much speed actually can lower damage.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I agree with the others getting stabbed or shot is bad I'll pass on both thanks. running around stabbing someone is actually more violent as well the person who goes that route over a gun is truly a violent person in choosing such a personal way to kill.And you cant out run a bullet but moving makes you a harder target if you are trapped in a corner either weapon has your number even if you try to fight back.Either can be deadly depending on how you get hit either can cause shock though generally speaking bullets are much deadlier and CCIP even military FMJ rounds are very very nasty and they are more likely to pass though one person and hit another than JHPs and such the worst type for one person would be the expanding rounds designed for hunting big game you get hit by one of these in the head or torso you are very likely going to die even if you are a 1000+ pound bull moose well any most any head wound if it hits your brain or brain steam and you are finished unless you get very lucky like Cathy Giffords which i am guessing that that Glock must have had FMJs and she was close enough that the bullet went right though and did not have time to tumble as it passed through her head which shows that the primary effect with a bullet is pretty much what it happens to hit the type of round and the velocity at impact some times too much speed actually can lower damage.

Congresswoman's name was Gabrielle Giffords (namesake of USS Gabrielle Giffords LCS-10 no, not a joke unfortunately). If I remember correctly she was also lucky because bullet didn't shatter inside skull nor did it take significantly foreign objects inside brain. Important was ofcourse fast and efficient first aid.