A Bunch of Young Lawyers are Suing Their Law Schools Because They Don't Have Jobs - Page 4

Bubblehead1980 · 02-18-12, 06:41 PM

While I want to have sympathy, that is what they get for selecting a Law School based on the wrong criteria, I barely considered those type of statistics when I selected which school to attend.

Stealhead · 02-18-12, 07:58 PM

That does not make any sense you are assuming that they chose the school based on that reason even though it does not say anywhere that they did.More than likely they made their chose based on numerous factors.I find it a little hard to believe that you did not take such statics into consideration who is going to attended a law school that has few alumni practicing law?

What was your determining factor then which school had the highest prestige that you could get into? Which prestige still largely reflects to some extent alumni having good jobs at least some of them.

Every educational institution to some extent whats you to feel as though you will get a job because you attended that is the whole idea of post secondary education in the first place.

I'd be careful about being so smug Bubblehead you are not even finished with law school yet you might have as hard a time finding a job as a lawyer as they are.You may not
file a lawsuit against your school but you still are going to enter a highly competitive and saturated field you are about to enter an ocean loaded with fish.

02-18-12, 08:19 PM

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While I want to have sympathy, that is what they get for selecting a Law School based on the wrong criteria, I barely considered those type of statistics when I selected which school to attend.

Yet according to yourself you chose a law school where all the staff don't know anything about law, havn't done anything in the legal business world and are only doing political indocrination of the students who as it happens are all brainless.

So what exactly was your criteria in choosing the school?

Stealhead · 02-18-12, 08:33 PM

That is true I forgot about his previous complaints about how "leftie-pinko-commie" all the professors are.He will probably sue his school for having a leftie-commie agenda.

A more realistic person when taking into consideration the current job market in general would be wise when seeking higher education to have the goal of making themselves as marketable as possible in numerous fields and be willing when young and inexperienced to take lower paying jobs.My mother majored in the Arts but she only held a job as an art teacher for 2 years the rest of her 35 year teaching career she was an English teacher.

Takeda Shingen · 02-19-12, 09:37 AM

Breaking silence to offer a word of advice to those of you seeking higher education:

In the wake of the 'For-Profit' (a strange term, but the accepted one) explosion, you need to look at your schools before deciding on moving forward. In that vein the single most important question, and one that has not been touched upon at all in this thread, is not employment statistics for graduates but rather accreditation. That is, not that the school is accredited (most of them will be), but the type of accreditation. Generally, there are two types--national and regional.

Essentially, Regional Accreditation indicates that the institution is a traditional 'Non-profit' (also a strange, yet accepted term) academically-oriented school. There are six Regional Accredidation organizations that such a school will be accredited by:

Middle State Association of Colleges and Schools (I am employed by a university accredited by Middle States)
New England Association of Schools and Colleges
North Central Association of Colleges and Schools
Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools
Western Association of Schools and Colleges

National Accreditation is granted by a variety of agencies that were designed to oversee the content of varying types of institutions such as trade schools that were mentioned earlier in the thread. If the name of the accrediting organization is different than the six I mentioned above, the school is nationally accredited. National Accreditation is a legitimate accreditation, albeit considered less prestigious as it is linked to non-academic institutions. While those institutions are legitimate, it should be noted that many 'fly-by-night' schools typically use National Accreditation as well, as the requirements are a bit lighter.

Whatever school you choose, you need to do homework. You can make your job easier by looking at the type of accreditation. If you are going for an academic degree (medicine, law, education, history, music, art, literature, political science, biology, physics, etc) you want a school that is Regionally Accredited. If you see a college offering degrees in those areas that is Nationally Accredited, that is likely a less-than-reputable institution, and a good school to avoid.

Sailor Steve · 02-19-12, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Seriously?

"I'm not a doctor, but I play one on television."

nikimcbee · 02-19-12, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Seriously?

When I took advertising in college they said our job was to make the product, "the hero", no matter how odious we thought the product was. That's always been advertising in a nutshell.

Scientific evidence!?! Well it must be true!

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When I took advertising in college they said our job was to make the product, "the hero", no matter how odious we thought the product was. That's always been advertising in a nutshell

Are you talking about the cigs or the lawyers?

Schöneboom · 02-19-12, 01:17 PM

This WSJ article goes into more depth about the law school/job market issue:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html

To be fair to Brooklyn Law School, the one being sued, it cannot be considered a "diploma mill" by any means. Second-tier, yes, compared to the heavy hitters (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, et al.). But it isn't enough to be an average student, not from that school, not in today's market. And only a few can be at the top. Brutally Darwinian, eh? (Reminds me of my Hollywood years.)

Looking at what contract attorneys earn in their cubicles while digging out of debt, I suspect many would've better off as electricians, plumbers, or nurses. Unless of course they really "love" the legal profession. I've heard some people do.

02-19-12, 01:34 PM

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Breaking silence to offer a word of advice to those of you seeking higher education:

You can't do that, you don't do advertising for Brooklyn law school so can't say anything on the topic

Stealhead · 02-19-12, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Schöneboom

This WSJ article goes into more depth about the law school/job market issue:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html

To be fair to Brooklyn Law School, the one being sued, it cannot be considered a "diploma mill" by any means. Second-tier, yes, compared to the heavy hitters (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, et al.). But it isn't enough to be an average student, not from that school, not in today's market. And only a few can be at the top. Brutally Darwinian, eh? (Reminds me of my Hollywood years.)

Looking at what contract attorneys earn in their cubicles while digging out of debt, I suspect many would've better off as electricians, plumbers, or nurses. Unless of course they really "love" the legal profession. I've heard some people do.

I think is the entire problem many of these law school grads are expecting to get the $160,000.00 a year starting pay that a mere handful are getting when they simply wont and may never get to that pay scale.Times are tightener for any electrician or plumber but they also have the benefit being in a trade that is relatively inexpensive to train in so they wont be paying of debts for 10 years after they get a job at least not for schooling.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-19-12, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Schöneboom

This WSJ article goes into more depth about the law school/job market issue:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html

Very interesting article. Thanks for the link!

This was quite telling comment...

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Originally Posted by Matthew Fox Curl

He's making less money than at his last job and has thought about moving back to his parents' house. "I didn't think three years out I'd be uninsured, thinking it's a great day when a crackhead brings me $500."

Takeda Shingen · 02-19-12, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

You can't do that, you don't do advertising for Brooklyn law school so can't say anything on the topic

Holy crap, you're right. I also did not invent the qwerty keyboard; that was Christopher Latham Sholes in the 1870's. Using it to express myself is, therefore, an invalid form of correspondence when used by an any other individual.

Hottentot · 02-20-12, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Holy crap, you're right. I also did not invent the qwerty keyboard; that was Christopher Latham Sholes in the 1870's. Using it to express myself is, therefore, an invalid form of correspondence when used by an any other individual.

And in case you didn't notice, this topic does not concern music, so you are ignorant and it's just hilarious seeing you trying to say anything about anything else than music.

Not that anyone would be interested in it anyway, because as an academic you must be some kind of world hugging pinko communist. I bet you wouldn't have your degree if you studied a real science, but hey, everything gets called science these days.

Man I wish I could put you on my ignore list and tell everyone else to do it too, but there is some conspiracy in here that prevents me. That's your fault too, by the way.

MH · 02-20-12, 01:04 AM

It's ok....everyone deserves to have his own opinion just as any other body part.
Don't get so touchy now.

Hottentot · 02-20-12, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MH

everyone deserves to have his own opinion

Not Takeda, he is a moderator.

02-18-12, 07:58 PM	#47
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That does not make any sense you are assuming that they chose the school based on that reason even though it does not say anywhere that they did.More than likely they made their chose based on numerous factors.I find it a little hard to believe that you did not take such statics into consideration who is going to attended a law school that has few alumni practicing law? What was your determining factor then which school had the highest prestige that you could get into? Which prestige still largely reflects to some extent alumni having good jobs at least some of them. Every educational institution to some extent whats you to feel as though you will get a job because you attended that is the whole idea of post secondary education in the first place. I'd be careful about being so smug Bubblehead you are not even finished with law school yet you might have as hard a time finding a job as a lawyer as they are.You may not file a lawsuit against your school but you still are going to enter a highly competitive and saturated field you are about to enter an ocean loaded with fish. Last edited by Stealhead; 02-18-12 at 08:12 PM.

02-19-12, 09:37 AM	#50
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Breaking silence to offer a word of advice to those of you seeking higher education: In the wake of the 'For-Profit' (a strange term, but the accepted one) explosion, you need to look at your schools before deciding on moving forward. In that vein the single most important question, and one that has not been touched upon at all in this thread, is not employment statistics for graduates but rather accreditation. That is, not that the school is accredited (most of them will be), but the type of accreditation. Generally, there are two types--national and regional. Essentially, Regional Accreditation indicates that the institution is a traditional 'Non-profit' (also a strange, yet accepted term) academically-oriented school. There are six Regional Accredidation organizations that such a school will be accredited by: Middle State Association of Colleges and Schools (I am employed by a university accredited by Middle States) New England Association of Schools and Colleges North Central Association of Colleges and Schools Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Western Association of Schools and Colleges National Accreditation is granted by a variety of agencies that were designed to oversee the content of varying types of institutions such as trade schools that were mentioned earlier in the thread. If the name of the accrediting organization is different than the six I mentioned above, the school is nationally accredited. National Accreditation is a legitimate accreditation, albeit considered less prestigious as it is linked to non-academic institutions. While those institutions are legitimate, it should be noted that many 'fly-by-night' schools typically use National Accreditation as well, as the requirements are a bit lighter. Whatever school you choose, you need to do homework. You can make your job easier by looking at the type of accreditation. If you are going for an academic degree (medicine, law, education, history, music, art, literature, political science, biology, physics, etc) you want a school that is Regionally Accredited. If you see a college offering degrees in those areas that is Nationally Accredited, that is likely a less-than-reputable institution, and a good school to avoid. Last edited by Takeda Shingen; 02-19-12 at 09:50 AM.

02-19-12, 01:17 PM	#53
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	This WSJ article goes into more depth about the law school/job market issue: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html To be fair to Brooklyn Law School, the one being sued, it cannot be considered a "diploma mill" by any means. Second-tier, yes, compared to the heavy hitters (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, et al.). But it isn't enough to be an average student, not from that school, not in today's market. And only a few can be at the top. Brutally Darwinian, eh? (Reminds me of my Hollywood years.) Looking at what contract attorneys earn in their cubicles while digging out of debt, I suspect many would've better off as electricians, plumbers, or nurses. Unless of course they really "love" the legal profession. I've heard some people do. __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."

02-18-12, 06:41 PM	#46
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,134 Downloads: 606 Uploads: 44	While I want to have sympathy, that is what they get for selecting a Law School based on the wrong criteria, I barely considered those type of statistics when I selected which school to attend.

02-18-12, 08:33 PM	#49
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That is true I forgot about his previous complaints about how "leftie-pinko-commie" all the professors are.He will probably sue his school for having a leftie-commie agenda. A more realistic person when taking into consideration the current job market in general would be wise when seeking higher education to have the goal of making themselves as marketable as possible in numerous fields and be willing when young and inexperienced to take lower paying jobs.My mother majored in the Arts but she only held a job as an art teacher for 2 years the rest of her 35 year teaching career she was an English teacher.

02-20-12, 01:04 AM	#59
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	It's ok....everyone deserves to have his own opinion just as any other body part. Don't get so touchy now.