Thank you Governor Perry

Respenus · 01-21-12, 09:36 AM

While I unfortunately do not have the time to go into a long theoretical discussion, I would only like to point one thing out. Do not mistake attempts by governments for what the idea(ls) calls for. @soopaman2, this is a very unfortunate case, but I'm not surprised that the system hasn't been set up to ensure proper social assistance (ie. help the family that is struggling on one breadwinner). In the end, it all depends on how the law was written and how it is implemented, which in this case is badly. This doesn't mean however, that everyone getting help is acting the same way. You don't throw away the entire crop because of one rotten apple. You make sure that either it doesn't happen (which requires continuous control and in the short term, high expenses, which are then reduced as people internalize the new rule set) or you get rid of the apple(s), which usually has long-term negative consequences.

@diluvian, your example of a school applying the supposed ideas of socialism in the test exams runs against its very logic. The idea here is to allow everyone to achieve by their own merit the advancement in life, not to blindly redistribute in the name of an equal society. Yes, in order to achieve an even starting field, resources have to be distributed, but not in this sense. Marx's idea was: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Now while this can be interpreted in many different, especially negative ways, let us, for the sake of argument accept this statement as something meant for the common good of ALL human beings, regardless of other factors.

So to recap, there is a difference between implementation, policy preposition by different groups and the ideas behind it all. Oh and welfare policies in a strictly capitalist system are not socialism. Welfare state=/social democracy=/socialism.

01-21-12, 09:36 AM	#14
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	While I unfortunately do not have the time to go into a long theoretical discussion, I would only like to point one thing out. Do not mistake attempts by governments for what the idea(ls) calls for. @soopaman2, this is a very unfortunate case, but I'm not surprised that the system hasn't been set up to ensure proper social assistance (ie. help the family that is struggling on one breadwinner). In the end, it all depends on how the law was written and how it is implemented, which in this case is badly. This doesn't mean however, that everyone getting help is acting the same way. You don't throw away the entire crop because of one rotten apple. You make sure that either it doesn't happen (which requires continuous control and in the short term, high expenses, which are then reduced as people internalize the new rule set) or you get rid of the apple(s), which usually has long-term negative consequences. @diluvian, your example of a school applying the supposed ideas of socialism in the test exams runs against its very logic. The idea here is to allow everyone to achieve by their own merit the advancement in life, not to blindly redistribute in the name of an equal society. Yes, in order to achieve an even starting field, resources have to be distributed, but not in this sense. Marx's idea was: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Now while this can be interpreted in many different, especially negative ways, let us, for the sake of argument accept this statement as something meant for the common good of ALL human beings, regardless of other factors. So to recap, there is a difference between implementation, policy preposition by different groups and the ideas behind it all. Oh and welfare policies in a strictly capitalist system are not socialism. Welfare state=/social democracy=/socialism. __________________