Santorum brought home stillborn child...bat**** crazy alert.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Do I have that straight?

[GoldenRivet]

Havnt kept up with Santorum or really many recent events to be honest.

Yes... people do sometimes bring home their stillborn babies or babies who die within hours of birth before making further arrangements

this happens. I would likely do the same thing

unfortunately when someone who is in the media spotlight does it its suddenly a weird freakish thing that is frowned on.

his family

his child

his business

its not like they took the body home and went Donner party on it

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

its not like they took the body home and went Donner party on it

Nice image there.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Nice image there.

a newsworthy one at that


this thing however... meh not newsworthy

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

a newsworthy one at that


this thing however... meh not newsworthy

I personally think it's a bit macabre, but it's not really my place to say how someone should or shouldn't grieve.

Death photography to be very common in the Victorian era.

These photographs were a common aspect of American culture, a part of the mourning and memorialization process. Surviving families were proud of these images and hung them in their homes, sent copies to friends and relatives, wore them as lockets or carried them as pocket mirrors. Nineteenth-century Americans knew how to respond to these images. Today there is no culturally normative response to postmortem photographs.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

his family

his child

his business

Except when he chose to make it public business by using it during a political campaign. It's not like some paparazzi snapped a photo. He drew attention to it himself and used it as proof of his pro-life credentials in 2005 and again during the 2008 election cycle.

Again, I find it odd. Not in his shoes so I can't say how I'd react.

EDIT--Thanks mookie. That first photograph is going to give me nightmares.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Except when he chose to make it public business by using it during a political campaign. It's not like some paparazzi snapped a photo. He drew attention to it himself and used it as proof of his pro-life credentials in 2005 and again during the 2008 election cycle.

And this is what I find so disgusting about the whole thing: using a stillborn for his own political agenda.
If he had kept it to himself and some reporter would have found out later, he could have said "So what, it's my private matter how I mourn about a loss!"
However the exploitation of this as a propaganda story makes him look nutty and is a disgrace to the dead baby and shows how far he is willing to go for his own political career.
Well, what else can one expect from a guy who is against contraception:"Yeah, let's ban calenders! Away with thermometers!"

And this is what I find so disgusting about the whole thing: using a stillborn for his own political agenda.

But that isn't what the topic was complaining about is it.
If that had been the complaint then just about everyone would be lining up in agreement because quite frankly Santorum is an offensive prick.
Also it wasn't stillborn was it, it died after being born alive so that was misleading right from the start.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Havnt kept up with Santorum or really many recent events to be honest.

Yes... people do sometimes bring home their stillborn babies or babies who die within hours of birth before making further arrangements

this happens. I would likely do the same thing

unfortunately when someone who is in the media spotlight does it its suddenly a weird freakish thing that is frowned on.

his family

his child

his business

its not like they took the body home and went Donner party on it

Goes to his mentality and how he handles tough situations...grief, stress etc. If Santorum was not seeking power, okay he can be a weirdo all he wants but he is seeking the Presidency, it becomes our business if he can't make rational decisions when things are tough.Bringing a dead baby home to "meet" the family is not a rational nor sane decision.Think you would find vast majority of people would agree it was not something one should do.

Santorum like most religious people believes babies are miracles of god or some crap, they are not.Having a child is a wonderful thing but it's not a miracle, its biology, pure and simple.You have sex, your lady gets pregnant, kid comes out 9 months later.Sure it's great thing but it's not some magical thing.Again, mental state of a guy running for President is our business, his behavior and beliefs show someone who is

Hmm tribes, so not rational to suggest something crazy like sending the baby to a funeral home and not taking it home for a play date?

There is nothing irrational and nothing crazy about it. If there was something irrational and crazy then it would be equally irrational and crazy when people to go visit to a corpse at a funeral home.

I know you won't get it, for a measure .....all the other students are wrong, all your teachers are wrong, all the textbooks are wrong, that grieving family is wrong...it never enters what passes for your mind that it is you that is wrong which means it is you who is irrational, or more accurately as the title of your topic says bat**** crazy.

Far cry from bringing a stillborn child home.

There is no difference whatsoever

Think you would find vast majority of people would agree it was not something one should do.

What utter crap

@Steve

I'm just aware that my opinion is only my opinion, and what I find distasteful someone else might actually find comforting.

That is the point, I have seen many dozens of families go through the same situation and seen the many dozens of very different ways they approached it, each one of them was right and only a pillock would try and claim they were actually wrong.

[1480]

We used to wake people in their own homes, not so long ago.

[Herr-Berbunch]

I think this should've been a poll, then Bubbles would see just how much in the minority he actually is.

It's not news, it's not our business, it doesn't mean Sanotorum is a nutjob (he may be but this has absolutely nothing to do with it!), it's not out of the ordinary.

I know a few people that have suffered this and they still add the childs names when listing the family (cards/presents).

Some parents decide to take their baby out of the hospital for a short while. They may take their baby home or to a place that has special meaning to them. There is no legal reason why you should not do this (except in rare cases when a coroner has ordered a post mortem).

Source: The Stillbirth and Neonatal Death charity (SANDS)

[Sailor Steve]

Re-reading this I noticed a couple of things that struck me, in a positive way.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

There is nothing irrational and nothing crazy about it. If there was something irrational and crazy then it would be equally irrational and crazy when people to go visit to a corpse at a funeral home.

Excellent point.

There is no difference whatsoever

Again, something I wondered about but wasn't sure of my own feelings on the subject. Reading it out loud, I have to agree.

@Steve

That is the point, I have seen many dozens of families go through the same situation and seen the many dozens of very different ways they approached it, each one of them was right and only a pillock would try and claim they were actually wrong.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I think this should've been a poll, then Bubbles would see just how much in the minority he actually is.

But he's not interested in anyone else's opinions. He's right, he has the truth, and you need to learn this.

(he may be but this has absolutely nothing to do with it!)

Excellent!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I think this should've been a poll, then Bubbles would see just how much in the minority he actually is.

It's not news, it's not our business, it doesn't mean Sanotorum is a nutjob (he may be but this has absolutely nothing to do with it!), it's not out of the ordinary.

I know a few people that have suffered this and they still add the childs names when listing the family (cards/presents).

Source: The Stillbirth and Neonatal Death charity (SANDS)

Most people would not want to bring a dead baby home, it's just weird and odd.Santorum's crazy religious beliefs are responsible for this like.Like many religious types, he probably believes babies are a miracle from god or some bs, they are not.A man and a woman have sex, a kid comes out 9 months later.Sure, it's a great thing but it's not a damn miracle, it's biology! That is why the nutty pro lifers are so militant and crazy, they think babies are blessings from god

Nice to read some others agree with me and most people.Also, the argument from some other posters that it's the same as visiting a funeral home, well that argument is garbage.Funeral homes are equipped to deal with dead bodies and prepare them for the services.

Still listing the child's name is just sad, some people just need to let go, well as much as possible.I've had people do this and the first thought in my head is "Are they out of their freaking minds?"

Finslly, it is out business because he is running for President and after Iowa actually became a contender.Whether that lasts or not, we shall see.