China warns US on Asia military strategy

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

My view on the current administration is that about 98% of what they do is wrong.

So when they get something RIGHT - I do my best to say so.

This is a very good move.

Our military has always been geared to fight major ground conflicts on 2 fronts. Its were we found ourselves in WWII, and the overall focused never changed. Its why we were able to successfully keep deterrent forces in place throughout the world while still fighting conflicts that absorbed significantly more manpower and treasure than we though in 2 countries.

But the reality is that this policy has been what has caused us to become the self-appointed "world police". When a country has the forces to exert, it is much more apt to exert them. Even the Art of War teaches this. It is a path (one of many) to ruin.

Asia will be the focal point for some time in geopolitics due to perceived economic strength (which is a house of cards in many ways - but I digress). The middle east is a focus for one reason - energy. Asia is a focus for both energy and economics. As resources dwindle in the middle east, as further energy sources are found and used, the focus changes. We need to be able to start preparing for what the future may hold.

Its important to realize that this isn't gutting the ground game. Its simply letting it no longer be the major game in town.

For all the "defense" hawks that scream about military cuts - yes we will spend less. But we are also not going to be fighting 2 wars - so we don't need to spend as much. Those same hawks would yell if every conflict ended today and we cut a single dime because of it.

Its important to note - we as a country have to shift our priorities and our way of thinking when it comes to fiscal policy. NO program, no entitlement, and no special interest - including military spending (which is driven for contractors primarily) should be off the table. We will all share in the sacrifice - and nothing should be untouchable to right the ship.

Just the view of someone that spend 8 years in a funny green suit, and never wants to go to the middle east again - unless its to Israel for a visit.

Not a bad analysis. I certainly agree that the Asian economic "power" is simply a rotten structure waiting for a strong enough wind to blow it away. People seem to have forgotten that China's "strength in the 2008 GFC was simply money printing. They got away with it so far but somewhere they will have to pay the piper.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Not a bad analysis. I certainly agree that the Asian economic "power" is simply a rotten structure waiting for a strong enough wind to blow it away. People seem to have forgotten that China's "strength in the 2008 GFC was simply money printing. They got away with it so far but somewhere they will have to pay the piper.

Good point. But they also have modernized their military into a more modern one. Real hardware from that "money printing". And unfortunately, we are a huge enabler of it. And they continue to build up their military hardware at a fast pace. They continue to make claims in both the East China Sea and the South China Sea, and some of their generals boast of controlling islands out to the second chain. You know, where global trade occurs en masse. Theymake no bones about wanting the US NAVY to stay away from entering the South China Sea (effectively ending freedom of navigation on the seas), and are attempting to build military hardware to ensure that policy. That requires a response of some kind (Deterrence). Unless you're willing to live on their terms.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I agree that in conflict "boots in ground" won't work. "Quantity has quality of its own" as Uncle Joe said and in plain numbers anything but sending every able american to China you are not going to win ground engagement. What I'm really worried about is U.S. Navy and Air Force capability to counter chinese capabilities in long term. Here are two things which trouble me most:

1. Littoral Combat Ship (which I tend to call Littoral Combat Joke). It has very little own weapons and was supposed to get its firepower from weapon modules. Problem: module projects have been cancelled.

1 57 mm gun, single RAM or Sea-Ram missile launcher, few autocannons and machineguns and ofcourse helos. With that weapons layout its not very survivable in my opinion and in price of one american LCS (or LCJ which ever you prefer) China can build two much more heavily armed frigates.

2. F-35 Lightning II. Wonderful aircraft (atleast in paper) but will it be affordable? If you cannot buy it in large enough numbers you have a big problem.

These are my two most serious worries in U.S. military. What are your opinions?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

These are my two most serious worries in U.S. military. What are your opinions?

Barack Obama has announced that US defence spending will be cut to $660 billion a year, meaning that the USA no longer has the highest annual defence budget in the world.

That honour now goes to Manchester City.

j/k

I'll get my coat.

[gimpy117]

we spend a ludicrous amount on our military, it's almost like the cold war never ended. it has allowed us to maintain total military dominance, but at the same time has cost vast amounts. personally, Losing that influence allowed by our military will be a bummer, but it will make us work with the rest of the world more....and somehow i feel harmony trumps strong arm politics

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

we spend a ludicrous amount on our military, it's almost like the cold war never ended. it has allowed us to maintain total military dominance, but at the same time has cost vast amounts. personally, Losing that influence allowed by our military will be a bummer, but it will make us work with the rest of the world more....and somehow i feel harmony trumps strong arm politics

Are you crazy? Do you have any idea how much our defense budget has been cut since the Cold War? We already work with the world more. It's unfortunate that we've become the world police, but nobody else seems to want to step up to the job. Europe didn't want to go into Libya without us, and our allies (and not so close friends) in the Asian region are running and screaming to us away from China's bullying.

Maybe we should charge them for the protection we provide, maybe we should mind our own business, but there is no denying that our actions as the world police have benefited the west immensely.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by magicstix

Are you crazy? Do you have any idea how much our defense budget has been cut since the Cold War? We already work with the world more. It's unfortunate that we've become the world police, but nobody else seems to want to step up to the job. Europe didn't want to go into Libya without us, and our allies (and not so close friends) in the Asian region are running and screaming to us away from China's bullying.

Maybe we should charge them for the protection we provide, maybe we should mind our own business, but there is no denying that our actions as the world police have benefited the west immensely.

Snag about isolationism with the US is that it never lasts more than a decade or two before you're dragged into global affairs, and by that time you're usually behind the ball so it takes you another year of casualties and hurt to catch up before you're back into full military muscle mode.
Besides, you think the defence budget is being cut now, if the US went into 'mind its own business' mode, then the defence budget would be slashed to pieces because there would be no reason to have such a big budget. The war industry would be scaled back too, which means when you wind up getting involved in the next big war then you'll have to reactivate that industry, which'll take time, which you might not have.
I don't think any of us can really afford to be truly isolationist anymore, the world is simply too small for that.