Your turn America

[Ducimus]

Well, we kinda sorta anointed ourselves as the Worlds Policeman. The reasons of which im not sure, but probably have their roots in the Cold War. At any rate, we've been kind of lingering here as the Worlds Policeman. Times change, people change, maybe that will change too.

edit: Personally id welcome it if we were to long longer be "The Worlds Policeman". I didn't always enjoy being in some 2nd or 3rd world hell hole, presumably for the benefit of some people that i could give less then a (bleep) about.

edit: and I don't mean the American people. In the end, nothing i did mattered where the US people are concerned.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

But for the USA to cut back, would force Europe to step up. As of now Europe cannot afford to step up.

Step up to what? Nobody, not even the Red Menace has the cash to start or support a major conflict.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Does this mean the Chagos Islanders can have their land back?

Don't you mean back to the British, and then we can hand it back. And if we can say it was all our idea and come away with some dignity, all the better.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

But for the USA to cut back, would force Europe to step up. As of now Europe cannot afford to step up.

The question is what do you mean exactly with "step up"? The times of big Tank and Infantry Armies are over, todays asymetrical warfare needs highly mobile special forces. Then the question arise for what purpose should those European Nations step up their military?

Originally Posted by soopaman2

In all fairness Europe has not paid its fair share since 1945. Your cities are not bombed out anymore. and alot of your countries are doing better than us.

Oh realy? may i remind you about the British Army and the Greeks who fought with the US together in Korea? And how about Desert Strom and Afgahnistan? Ah i forgot you fight your wars always alone.
I found it rather funny, that the Americans who told us Germans that we Germans are such bad militarists for the last 75 years, are now demanding a step up. Why should we? we dont have a Problem with the Iranians, not to mention what the reasons for you Iranian Problem are. Does it realy make you wonder that these people hate you, after you financed one of the most sinister villains (aka Mohammad Reza Pahlavi) down there for decades. It had a reasons why Khomeini came back to Iran back in 1979.

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Yes China will always lie. Sun Tzu always did preach deception, it was a running topic in his Art of War.

Show me a politician whos not lying and i show you an idiot.

[nikimcbee]

Okay, if we're cutting the military, let's start with all the bases in the blue states.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Okay, if we're cutting the military, let's start with all the bases in the blue states.

Meh don't worry. It's not the first time our military has been cut. We did it before WW2 and back in the mid 90s up until 2001. Everything turned out great then right?

...I just hope I survive these cuts; at least the money will go to welfare that I can be on instead, right?

[Morts]

Originally Posted by magicstix

Meh don't worry. It's not the first time our military has been cut. We did it before WW2 and back in the mid 90s up until 2001. Everything turned out great then right?

...I just hope I survive these cuts; at least the money will go to welfare that I can be on instead, right?

Yeah, WW2 happened because the US didnt have a big enough army, and so did 9/11.....right

[nikimcbee]

Sadly they are not going to cut overall spending. They are just going to spend it someplace else. Sure, the military is bloated, but nobody wants their sacred cow cut.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by Morts

Yeah, WW2 happened because the US didnt have a big enough army, and so did 9/11.....right

Feel free to cite anywhere in my post where I said anything to that effect.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Sadly they are not going to cut overall spending. They are just going to spend it someplace else. Sure, the military is bloated, but nobody wants their sacred cow cut.

I'd tend to debate that, given that the railgun and free electron laser have both been cancelled, as has the airborne laser (which granted was a test bed). The LCS is nothing more than a floating hull since they've cancelled all of the mission modules.

The problem is that contractors need to be held accountable for failures, which isn't happening. There is a lot of "you've sunk 5 million into this project that doesn't work already, so what's another 1 million?" Those extra millions tend to kill projects that are actually working and accomplishing things.

[nikimcbee]

Just look at the bright side. Think of all of the jobs obama can create after we get attacked by China, when we have to turn on our war economy again.


I created a million manufacturing jobs! Vote for me in 2016.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by magicstix

I'd tend to debate that, given that the railgun and free electron laser have both been cancelled, as has the airborne laser (which granted was a test bed). The LCS is nothing more than a floating hull since they've cancelled all of the mission modules.

The problem is that contractors need to be held accountable for failures, which isn't happening. There is a lot of "you've sunk 5 million into this project that doesn't work already, so what's another 1 million?" Those extra millions tend to kill projects that are actually working and accomplishing things.

We can just outsource the work to China, they can make our weapons cheaper.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Just look at the bright side. Think of all of the jobs obama can create after we get attacked by China, when we have to turn on our war economy again.


I created a million manufacturing jobs! Vote for me in 2016.

The problem is those factories don't exist anymore...

China is specifically building their military to counter us. They've said this publicly. They're engaged in more espionage against us than any other nation, they're bullying their neighbors, and we're not taking them seriously enough, even with Obama's (thankfully) shifted focus to the Asian region.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by magicstix

The problem is those factories don't exist anymore...

China is specifically building their military to counter us. They've said this publicly. They're engaged in more espionage against us than any other nation, they're bullying their neighbors, and we're not taking them seriously enough, even with Obama's (thankfully) shifted focus to the Asian region.

That's what struck me as funny. We are trimming down the military, so we can challenge China.

wait for it...


They are ramping up.

We are so far in debt to them, one of these days, their gunna want their money. I say we sell them Kali-fornia. Make the boarder their problem.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

We can just outsource the work to China, they can make our weapons cheaper.

The problem with Chinese outsourcing is you get the quality you pay for, which is why some factories are starting to come home to the US and others are starting to move to other third world countries like Vietnam and India.

If we can hold out a bit China might collapse on itself, it wouldn't be the first time. The problem is that on the way down there's a very strong possibility China will resort to war. They've whipped up a patriotic fervor and imperial ambition that is pushing the Politburo to write checks their military can't cash.