Your turn America

[nikimcbee]

Okay, if we're cutting the military, let's start with all the bases in the blue states.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Okay, if we're cutting the military, let's start with all the bases in the blue states.

Meh don't worry. It's not the first time our military has been cut. We did it before WW2 and back in the mid 90s up until 2001. Everything turned out great then right?

...I just hope I survive these cuts; at least the money will go to welfare that I can be on instead, right?

[Morts]

Originally Posted by magicstix

Meh don't worry. It's not the first time our military has been cut. We did it before WW2 and back in the mid 90s up until 2001. Everything turned out great then right?

...I just hope I survive these cuts; at least the money will go to welfare that I can be on instead, right?

Yeah, WW2 happened because the US didnt have a big enough army, and so did 9/11.....right

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by Morts

Yeah, WW2 happened because the US didnt have a big enough army, and so did 9/11.....right

Feel free to cite anywhere in my post where I said anything to that effect.

[nikimcbee]

Sadly they are not going to cut overall spending. They are just going to spend it someplace else. Sure, the military is bloated, but nobody wants their sacred cow cut.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Sadly they are not going to cut overall spending. They are just going to spend it someplace else. Sure, the military is bloated, but nobody wants their sacred cow cut.

I'd tend to debate that, given that the railgun and free electron laser have both been cancelled, as has the airborne laser (which granted was a test bed). The LCS is nothing more than a floating hull since they've cancelled all of the mission modules.

The problem is that contractors need to be held accountable for failures, which isn't happening. There is a lot of "you've sunk 5 million into this project that doesn't work already, so what's another 1 million?" Those extra millions tend to kill projects that are actually working and accomplishing things.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by magicstix

I'd tend to debate that, given that the railgun and free electron laser have both been cancelled, as has the airborne laser (which granted was a test bed). The LCS is nothing more than a floating hull since they've cancelled all of the mission modules.

The problem is that contractors need to be held accountable for failures, which isn't happening. There is a lot of "you've sunk 5 million into this project that doesn't work already, so what's another 1 million?" Those extra millions tend to kill projects that are actually working and accomplishing things.

We can just outsource the work to China, they can make our weapons cheaper.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

We can just outsource the work to China, they can make our weapons cheaper.

The problem with Chinese outsourcing is you get the quality you pay for, which is why some factories are starting to come home to the US and others are starting to move to other third world countries like Vietnam and India.

If we can hold out a bit China might collapse on itself, it wouldn't be the first time. The problem is that on the way down there's a very strong possibility China will resort to war. They've whipped up a patriotic fervor and imperial ambition that is pushing the Politburo to write checks their military can't cash.

[nikimcbee]

So we'll all have smurfy weapons.

[nikimcbee]

Just look at the bright side. Think of all of the jobs obama can create after we get attacked by China, when we have to turn on our war economy again.


I created a million manufacturing jobs! Vote for me in 2016.

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Just look at the bright side. Think of all of the jobs obama can create after we get attacked by China, when we have to turn on our war economy again.


I created a million manufacturing jobs! Vote for me in 2016.

The problem is those factories don't exist anymore...

China is specifically building their military to counter us. They've said this publicly. They're engaged in more espionage against us than any other nation, they're bullying their neighbors, and we're not taking them seriously enough, even with Obama's (thankfully) shifted focus to the Asian region.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by magicstix

The problem is those factories don't exist anymore...

China is specifically building their military to counter us. They've said this publicly. They're engaged in more espionage against us than any other nation, they're bullying their neighbors, and we're not taking them seriously enough, even with Obama's (thankfully) shifted focus to the Asian region.

That's what struck me as funny. We are trimming down the military, so we can challenge China.

wait for it...


They are ramping up.

We are so far in debt to them, one of these days, their gunna want their money. I say we sell them Kali-fornia. Make the boarder their problem.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by magicstix

The problem is those factories don't exist anymore...

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It occurs to me if we had enough national pride and patriot ferver to instigate a campaign of "Buy American" amongst our own society, and follow through on it, we would put the hurt lock on china and never have to fire a shot. Our constant consumption of Chinese goods is what's propelling them to be the next world power, and us to be the declining one.

However getting our society united behind such an effort would require cooperation from all classes in all walks of life, including the fat cats. That level of cooperation will NEVER happen. Human greed and desire for profit is a far greater in this day and age of international corporations and globalism, then patriotism and loyalty to ones country.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It occurs to me if we had enough national pride and patriot ferver to instigate a campaign of "Buy American" amongst our own society, and follow through on it, we would put the hurt lock on china and never have to fire a shot. Our constant consumption of Chinese goods is what's propelling them to be the next world power, and us to be the declining one.

However getting our society united behind such an effort would require cooperation from all classes in all walks of life, including the fat cats. That level of cooperation will NEVER happen. Human greed and desire for profit is a far greater in this day and age of international corporations and globalism, then patriotism and loyalty to ones country.

But Buffy and Sean simply must have that latest trendy toy/outfit and mumsie does not want to pay American prices.

As a capitalist, I can understand that. The whole idea of capitalism is for the buyer to get the mostest for the leastest and for the seller to deliver the leastest for the mostest. Where they can reach an agreement is called successful free market.

What we need in the US is a truly cheap lower labour class. But socially that ain't happening any more.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Sadly they are not going to cut overall spending. They are just going to spend it someplace else. Sure, the military is bloated, but nobody wants their sacred cow cut.

Remember when they were taking the axe to the Department of Education? You were all about that. Now you're kicking and screaming over cuts to the Department of Defense. Sacred cows indeed.