So Sweden sunk (?) an american submarine

[Catfish]

No it was a hologram and the towers were blown up, everyone knows that

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

ok. I think it's bad enough deceiving a "befriended" nation that way, to remove inconvenient politicians - this alone is the handwriting of the CIA for sure.

For sure? No, I think it's anything but sure except to those who want it to be true. Oh and for the record I don't believe in any of it and that includes your reference to some unspecified plane crashes a half a century ago.

Originally Posted by heartc

But the CIA also flew the jets into the towers, August.

Exactly. And FDR knew the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor and the moon landings were faked. In fact we didn't actually win WW2 or WW1 and the spirit of the Kaiser still exists in the body of Angela Merkel. You can tell by the mustache!

[heartc]

Originally Posted by August

Exactly. And FDR knew the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor and the moon landings were faked. In fact we didn't actually win WW2 or WW1 and the spirit of the Kaiser still exists in the body of Angela Merkel. You can tell by the mustache!

I see there's hope yet for America. Maybe we'll even let you join the EU one day.

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by August

For sure? No, I think it's anything but sure except to those who want it to be true. Oh and for the record I don't believe in any of it and that includes your reference to some unspecified plane crashes a half a century ago.



Exactly. And FDR knew the Japanese were going to bomb Pearl Harbor and the moon landings were faked. In fact we didn't actually win WW2 or WW1 and the spirit of the Kaiser still exists in the body of Angela Merkel. You can tell by the mustache!

Also, Lincoln and Kennedy were both assasinated by the US government.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Karle94

Also, Lincoln and Kennedy were both assasinated by the US government.

And every major American technological innovation of the past 65 years we owe to the Roswell Saucer Crash.

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

And every major American technological innovation of the past 65 years we owe to the Roswell Saucer Crash.

...which was secret Nazi tech from their base on the dark side of the moon.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

And every major American technological innovation of the past 65 years we owe to the Roswell Saucer Crash.

Nope

http://alexaxt.blogspot.com/2011/12/...nlichkeit.html

[heartc]

See?

[Jimbuna]

However

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

And every major American technological innovation of the past 65 years we owe to the Roswell Saucer Crash.

Originally Posted by heartc

...which was secret Nazi tech from their base on the dark side of the moon.

The truth is more disturbing:

[Catfish]

No, "operation paperclip" is a conspiracy theory, everyone knows that.

Ok i give up, you guys are terrific

[Marcantilan]

Going back to the topic, a couple of years ago some researchers found near Gotland a wreck from a sunken boat, probably from the Cold War (see here: http://www.thelocal.se/32386/20110303/ )

The authorities rejected to investigate further:

Ola Oskarsson, CEO at marine survey company Marin Mätteknik (MMT), which located the wreck, is also surprised by the Armed Forces' lack of interest in the sunken submarine.

"I don***8217;t understand what the Armed Forces is thinking, but maybe they know more than they want to admit to. But it's not possible to draw an conclusions from what's seen on the outer service," he told the TT news agency.

Why? (conspiracy mode on: They know is NOT a Soviet Boat? conspiracy mode off now)

Rgds,

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Going back to the topic, a couple of years ago some researchers found near Gotland a wreck from a sunken boat, probably from the Cold War (see here: http://www.thelocal.se/32386/20110303/ )

The authorities rejected to investigate further:

Ola Oskarsson, CEO at marine survey company Marin Mätteknik (MMT), which located the wreck, is also surprised by the Armed Forces' lack of interest in the sunken submarine.

"I don’t understand what the Armed Forces is thinking, but maybe they know more than they want to admit to. But it's not possible to draw an conclusions from what's seen on the outer service," he told the TT news agency.

Why? (conspiracy mode on: They now is NOT a Soviet Boat? conspiracy mode off now)

Rgds,

To the retired "Commander and Chief": Pictures or it's not there.

It may very well be a Soviet sub but having admitted that he has previously errored by almost 50% in aging a Great War era wreck, one can be assuredly skeptical with his contention that this is a Cold War wreck. It could easily also be from the 30's or WW2.

The fact that he is CEO of the marine salvage firm most likely to get a nice fat contract should the Swedish government decide to investigate further is, I am sure, entirely coincidental...

Some shipwrecks in the Baltic seem to last remarkably intact, one can do a search for the General von Stueban or Wilhelm Gustloff and see how well these wrecks survived until the Soviet's blew up the latter to prevent detailed examination by third parties. I recall reading somewhere that the Baltic is oxygen poor so wrecks corrode at a slower rate than in some other waters but that may be anecdotal or wrong.

Lastly, the former Commander in Chief might want to consider physics before stating that a depth charge will result in no externally visible damage. A submarine is a pressure vessel, application of a major shock wave to the exterior can result in a significant breach of the hull, countless submarine wrecks demonstrate this; it's how depth charges work. He should know better.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Marcantilan

Conspiracy mode on: They now is NOT a Soviet Boat? conspiracy mode off now

Well who else operated subs in the Baltic in the cold war...

Denmark
Sweden
USSR
West Germany
Poland
USA (sometimes)
UK (Sometimes)
Norway?
Libya had one up there once but its accounted for.

[Osmium Steele]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

A submarine is a pressure vessel, application of a major shock wave to the exterior can result in a significant breach of the hull, countless submarine wrecks demonstrate this; it's how depth charges work. He should know better.

While this is certainly true, it is not as much so for cold war era boats.

The rounded/teardrop shape of the modern hull, not to mention the advances in metallurgy and hull thickness, disperses a great deal of any shockwave. The majority of the damage is done to the weak points internally. Pipe hangers, fittings, mountings, etc. causing loss of power, steerageway, depth control and flooding. It is just too weight intensive to make everything shock resistant enough to render such measures obsolete. Might as well sail a brick.