What would Jesus do?: The rise of a slogan

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I see that you're one of these self-proclaimed "Christians" who spends all his time proving that his version is the correct one, and none of it actually proclaiming the Gospel.

Well no. I just find the perversion of the message of Christ and the awkward twisting of it with political socialism as disturbing. One not need be a dedicated Christian to be able to have read and comprehended what the message of Christ was. Christ's commandments about the poor are PERSONAL responsibilities, not a collective responsibility. The rich man was supposed to go sell his possessions and give the money to the poor of his own free will, not have a Government take the money from him and dole it out.

Plus if Christ were a socialist he would have never called Matthew away from his job as a tax collector. There is much in the Bible to disprove the claims of those seeking to rebrand Christ as a Marxist.

[Sailor Steve]

Fair enough.

I'll tell you what...Show me the verse where Jesus ever said “give your money to Cesar so Cesar can redistribute it according to the dictates of his conscience”! and we'll talk.

So you are one of those "christians" then
Why is it the "christians" are always shouting about Christianity

So young man what did that Jewish carpenter who said be nice to people say about giving money to Ceasar?

I just find the perversion of the message of Christ

You are certainly perverted in that sense.

One not need be a dedicated Christian to be able to have read and comprehended what the message of Christ was.

But you are not a Christian let alone a dedicated one, you are one of those "christians" who seem to have neither read or comprehended.

Plus if Christ were a socialist he would have never called Matthew away from his job as a tax collector.

I am sure in an alternate universe far far away that might make some sort of sense

Once again its the dodgy ones making the most noise

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you are one of those "christians" then
Why is it the "christians" are always shouting about Christianity

So young man what did that Jewish carpenter who said be nice to people say about giving money to Ceasar?


You are certainly perverted in that sense.


But you are not a Christian let alone a dedicated one, you are one of those "christians" who seem to have neither read or comprehended.


I am sure in an alternate universe far far away that might make some sort of sense

Once again its the dodgy ones making the most noise

EDIT: Ah nevermind. I'll be better than that.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I just think it's funny that he took so much issue with what I said (citing two things that Jesus, you know, actually did) that it caused him to launch into this political tirade. To him, it seems like anything that can be remotely linked to any sort of politics that aren't hard right is like throwing gasoline on a fire.

I didn't take issue with what you said mookie. I take issue with the context. Especially in light of what the occupy movement intends to do with the WWJD message. I take issue with those wishing to try to rebrand Christ as a political marxist when he actually was very far removed from politics. What is being attempted with the WWJD message is delusional at best.

Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor.

Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor’s money to the poor.


This ain't rocket science.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I didn't take issue with what you said mookie. I take issue with the context. Especially in light of what the occupy movement intends to do with the WWJD message. I take issue with those wishing to try to rebrand Christ as a political marxist when he actually was very far removed from politics. What is being attempted with the WWJD message is delusional at best.

Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor.

Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor’s money to the poor.


This ain't rocket science.

You obviously didn't read the article. Aside from a passing mention of politics in the beginning of the piece, it had nothing to do with anything that you're railing on about. And neither did anything I said. I could have said "driven out demons" or "have a brother named James" and nothing would have changed. I literally named two things Jesus would (did) do.

[Ducimus]

There's all sorts of groups and ideology's out there that use Christ, the bible, and christiantiy in general to further their own ideas or agenda's. From Democrat's, to Republicans, right on down the gutter to white supremacist and racist groups. Personally, i'm disgusted by it all. They all preach compassion, and understanding, yet the posses none of these qualities themselves. So, excuse me while I not pay attention to ANYONE who pulls out the Christ card in any way, shape, form, capacity, or context.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

There's all sorts of groups and ideology's out there that use Christ, the bible, and christiantiy in general to further their own ideas or agenda's. From Democrat's, to Republicans, right on down the gutter to white supremacist and racist groups. Personally, i'm disgusted by it all. They all preach compassion, and understanding, yet the posses none of these qualities themselves. So, excuse me while I not pay attention to ANYONE who pulls out the Christ card in any way, shape, form, capacity, or context.

Good point. Everyone wants the moral high ground, and what higher ground to try and take than Jesus?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

There's all sorts of groups and ideology's out there that use Christ, the bible, and christiantiy in general to further their own ideas or agenda's. From Democrat's, to Republicans, right on down the gutter to white supremacist and racist groups. Personally, i'm disgusted by it all. They all preach compassion, and understanding, yet the posses none of these qualities themselves. So, excuse me while I not pay attention to ANYONE who pulls out the Christ card in any way, shape, form, capacity, or context.

Good points and I agree. That's why I'm disgusted with the occupy movement doing this.

[Penguin]

I see: a discussion goes like this now:
claiming something and when asked for something to back up that claim, saying: "Oh, you can't proof the opposite!"

So lefties can't be Christians, because they all see Jesus as a socialist, and some German guy said 150 years ago that religion is opium for the masses? Or are all left Christians thus Junkies?
a mystery

And the leftists perverts this to fit their desire to feel good about themselves for "caring" without actually making any personal effort or sacrifice.

Oh yes, because it's all only righties who work without pay in organizations for the poor, just the same as only conservatives are affected by taxes. And of course it's the right that are the only ones who do voluntary donations...

Wow, living in a b/w world must be so much fun!

[geetrue]

"What would Jesus do"?

I think it's a song I heard at a Cavary Chapel (Chuck Smith church) back in the late 80's

Jesus said, "I must be about my fathers business"

That business includes love one another, forgive one another and hold no grudges aginst one another

Jesus would love his enemies and heal anyone with faith even a Roman officer's servant was healed due to the Roman officer's faith.

Jesus would be looking for those looking for him and rejecting those that reject him.

Jesus would be a joyful giver

Jesus would be the seed sower

Jesus would not fret (it only causes harm)

Jesus would tell the truth and only the truth, so help me God

Jesus is a lot like General Douglas MacArthur.

Who is reported to have said, quoting the General

"A better world shall emerge based on faith and understanding"

"Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul"

and like General MacArthur Jesus even said, "I shall return"

"It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it"

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Jesus is a lot like General Douglas MacArthur.

Good Lord I hope that's not accurate!

Jesus was certainly not a pompous, oft-erring military megalomaniac who was about to nuke China when he was finally relieved.

I just think it's funny that he took so much issue with what I said (citing two things that Jesus, you know, actually did) that it caused him to launch into this political tirade.

I think its funny that he must know he screwed himself up but is still digging himself deeper trying to stand by it

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I think its funny that he must know he screwed himself up but is still digging himself deeper trying to stand by it

Actually he's become more clear, and made some decent points. I may disagree with him in some respects, but in this case I'll admit he's arguing his own feelings and being honest about it. Also, I'll apologize.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing but insult. I know that if I ask you to give an honest debate you'll just say he doesn't deserve it, but if you can't give an honest debate, why say anything at all?

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Good Lord I hope that's not accurate!

Jesus was certainly not a pompous, oft-erring military megalomaniac who was about to nuke China when he was finally relieved.

True, but Jesus said to his own disciples about their faith, "How much longer do I have to put up with you oh ye men of little faith"

actually I just threw him in there. because I like and respect him plus he said, "I'll shall return"

Sure Mac was wrong about nuclear warfare to nuke China with ten nukes, but it took another man of God, Harry Truman, to stop him.

As for the 99% people they sure don't act like Christians, down in Oakland is the closes one on my TV, to me.