16 km mod for SH4?

Sailor Steve · 12-06-11, 10:52 AM

In stock SH4 you can already see 20km. A 16km mod would make it worse, not better.

@ Karle94: That's an intriguing idea, but I think 30km is a bit far to see anything from the bridge of a submarine. Just my opinion, of course.

CCIP · 12-06-11, 11:00 AM

Not that spotting reports would make a huge difference usually, since you do get radar that can do it from much further away!

Yeah, I think 20km is where it is, and that's approximately the graphical limit of SH3/4 anyway. So you don't need mods for this aspect.

sparrs · 12-06-11, 12:29 PM

I concur, the SJ Radar (and hydrophone) negates the need for it, and besides. what can you really see with binos that far anyway?

Just a thought.

yamatoforever · 12-10-11, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In stock SH4 you can already see 20km. A 16km mod would make it worse, not better.

@ Karle94: That's an intriguing idea, but I think 30km is a bit far to see anything from the bridge of a submarine. Just my opinion, of course.

But the enemy ship artillery (all calibers) fires only from 7 kilometres away!

AOTD_MadMax · 12-12-11, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by yamatoforever

But the enemy ship artillery (all calibers) fires only from 7 kilometres away!

This could be done by the ship-sensors (visual ) and the firingranges.

In FOTRS V2.0 which is under construction big BB´s firing in a range about 15.000 meters, Cruisers about 12.000 meters, DD´s about 10.000 and Merchants about 6.000 meters.
Every Class got their special visual sensor.
BB´s didnt fire on subs on this large range because the sub is to small but you can see BB´s firing at each other over that long range.

Regards

Maddy

yamatoforever · 12-16-11, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AOTD_MadMax

This could be done by the ship-sensors (visual ) and the firingranges.

In FOTRS V2.0 which is under construction big BB´s firing in a range about 15.000 meters, Cruisers about 12.000 meters, DD´s about 10.000 and Merchants about 6.000 meters.
Every Class got their special visual sensor.
BB´s didnt fire on subs on this large range because the sub is to small but you can see BB´s firing at each other over that long range.

Regards

Maddy

Wonderful news!

Sailor Steve · 12-16-11, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AOTD_MadMax

In FOTRS V2.0 which is under construction big BB´s firing in a range about 15.000 meters, Cruisers about 12.000 meters, DD´s about 10.000 and Merchants about 6.000 meters.

Actually even that is a little short. The longest hit ever made on a moving target was by Scharnhorst on HMS Glorious at 26,465 yards, or 24,200 metres. You're right, they almost certainly wouldn't shoot at a submarine at that range, firstly because subs sit lower in the water and are harder to see, and secondly because they wouldn't waste their big-gun ammo on a target so hard to hit. On the other hand the US battleships Iowa and New Jersey did try to hit the Japanese destroyer Nowaki at more than 35,000 yards, or 32,000 metres, so you never know for sure what they'll actually do.

Hylander_1314 · 12-17-11, 07:23 AM

Dang! 35,000 yards! Close to 18nms!

That is amazing that they would fire at that distance to try to hit something as small as a destroyer at that range.

Karle94 · 12-17-11, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually even that is a little short. The longest hit ever made on a moving target was by Scharnhorst on HMS Glorious at 26,465 yards, or 24,200 metres. You're right, they almost certainly wouldn't shoot at a submarine at that range, firstly because subs sit lower in the water and are harder to see, and secondly because they wouldn't waste their big-gun ammo on a target so hard to hit. On the other hand the US battleships Iowa and New Jersey did try to hit the Japanese destroyer Nowaki at more than 35,000 yards, or 32,000 metres, so you never know for sure what they'll actually do.

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Dang! 35,000 yards! Close to 18nms!

That is amazing that they would fire at that distance to try to hit something as small as a destroyer at that range.

Did´t they barely miss that destroyer?

Sailor Steve · 12-17-11, 12:14 PM

The time of flight for a 16"/50 shell at 35,000 yards is more than a minute. I've read that Nowaki would wait for the muzzle flash from the battleships and then turn and run in a different direction. I don't have a source for that, however. That said, they never hit Nowaki.

TorpX · 12-11-11, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In stock SH4 you can already see 20km. A 16km mod would make it worse, not better.

Are you sure? When I was trying to use celestial nav. in SH4 (w/ RFB) I was not able to see mountains beyond 10 nm, IIRC.

Hylander_1314 · 12-11-11, 11:34 PM

With the distance to the horizon even being on a raised platform, like the conning tower, or the lookout perches, 20km distance should be more than enough for distance sight.

Short little concise article on the topic,

When I stand at the water's edge and look out over the ocean, how far away is the horizon?

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question198.htm

Sailor Steve · 12-13-11, 12:21 PM

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Are you sure? When I was trying to use celestial nav. in SH4 (w/ RFB) I was not able to see mountains beyond 10 nm, IIRC.

20 km is 10.8 nautical miles.

TorpX · 12-13-11, 09:50 PM

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20 km is 10.8 nautical miles.

Yes, you are right. For some reason I was thinking in terms of statute miles.

Karle94 · 12-12-11, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

@ Karle94: That's an intriguing idea, but I think 30km is a bit far to see anything from the bridge of a submarine. Just my opinion, of course.

It was not made for submarines, but battleships.

12-06-11, 10:52 AM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	In stock SH4 you can already see 20km. A 16km mod would make it worse, not better. @ Karle94: That's an intriguing idea, but I think 30km is a bit far to see anything from the bridge of a submarine. Just my opinion, of course. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-06-11, 11:00 AM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Not that spotting reports would make a huge difference usually, since you do get radar that can do it from much further away! Yeah, I think 20km is where it is, and that's approximately the graphical limit of SH3/4 anyway. So you don't need mods for this aspect. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Dang! 35,000 yards! Close to 18nms! That is amazing that they would fire at that distance to try to hit something as small as a destroyer at that range. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

12-17-11, 12:14 PM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The time of flight for a 16"/50 shell at 35,000 yards is more than a minute. I've read that Nowaki would wait for the muzzle flash from the battleships and then turn and run in a different direction. I don't have a source for that, however. That said, they never hit Nowaki. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-11-11, 11:34 PM	#12
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	With the distance to the horizon even being on a raised platform, like the conning tower, or the lookout perches, 20km distance should be more than enough for distance sight. Short little concise article on the topic, When I stand at the water's edge and look out over the ocean, how far away is the horizon? http://science.howstuffworks.com/question198.htm __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

12-06-11, 12:29 PM	#3
sparrs A-ganger Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 75 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I concur, the SJ Radar (and hydrophone) negates the need for it, and besides. what can you really see with binos that far anyway? Just a thought.