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Old 11-16-11, 09:59 AM   #16
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For shortsighted it's just a sale.

You don't see any similarities between these countries ?
Yes I do, but what are you trying to say?
Russia has a history of selling weapons to countries of similar political alignment or nations that west chooses not to trade with... Countries trade in everything from food to weapons, whats the big deal?

For the Record Venzula has x20 F-16s, China has x24 blackhawks, while Iran of all places has x65 F4's and x44 F14 Tomcats..... Im pretty sure Russia didnt sell them those.

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Old 11-16-11, 10:11 AM   #17
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Yes I do, but what are you trying to say?
Russia has a history of selling weapons to countries of similar political alignment... As do western Superpowers. Thats just how it works, whats the big deal?
You already answered your question, the big deal is not in the quality of military equipment, but in the politics.
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Old 11-16-11, 10:20 AM   #18
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And if you watched the videos I've put, you may find that flying itself isn't the only thing that is dangerous in Russia.
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Old 11-16-11, 10:26 AM   #19
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And? the US, UK, France etc does the same, they often sell off their out dated hardware to underdeveloped (and some time less than stable) countries in exchange for any number of things. its just business. Most of the Russian ties you mentioned come from the Cold war era -which was less than 30 years ago.

Edit: I watch your videos and its the same kind of crazy stuff people do all over the world, not just in Russia.
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Old 11-16-11, 10:37 AM   #20
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I believe that when western countries sell their old equipment to other nations it really is just a business, but when Russia does this, it means there's something more along that line.

I think that Russia still owns that cold war era stench and spreads it silently.

Because as far as I know, there is no free economical trades that wouldn't be affected by politics in Russia.
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Old 11-16-11, 10:48 AM   #21
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I believe that when western countries sell their old equipment to other nations it really is just a business, but when Russia does this, it means there's something more along that line.
Well, thats not strictly true, historically speaking. Afganistan and Cambodia are examples of nations being 'tooled up' by the West for politcal reasons.
Modern day Russia does indeed still have many of its Soviet era elements, but I dont think it has any real love for Syria, N.korea, Venezuela etc, I think in these cases they just sell what they can to whoever they can.

I dont think the Russian / western arms trades are all that mutch different to be honest, occasionally they're is a government sponsored politcal agenda, but alot of the time these guys will just sell to whoever whats to buy (up to a point) There isn't exactly alot of moral fibre in the arms trade...or in any effective salesman for that matter

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Old 11-16-11, 11:08 AM   #22
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Check out this awesome Boeing build video Amazing how are liners are mostly still assembled by hand

Great video....here is similar of a 747 but the quality isn't quite as good:


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