Russia - Most Dangerous place to fly....

[JU_88]

Russian Civil aviation is in a bit of mess by the looks of it,
http://news.sky.com/home/video/16100593

And to think I get neverous enough on super safe Boeings and Airbuses.

Soo... I won't be flying in those planes.. my god

[JU_88]

Check out this awesome Boeing build video Amazing how are liners are mostly still assembled by hand

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

... the thrust of the entire video seems intent on blaming every air accident that happened in Russia this year on Russian aircraft, thus making a nice propaganda to buy Western (and thus destroy what's left of the Russian aviation industry).

Taking a quick glance of the incidents suggest pilot error or other failures to the the cause of most of said crashes.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

... the thrust of the entire video seems intent on blaming every air accident that happened in Russia this year on Russian aircraft, thus making a nice propaganda to buy Western (and thus destroy what's left of the Russian aviation industry).

Taking a quick glance of the incidents suggest pilot error or other failures to the the cause of most of said crashes.

When you say 'pilot error or other problems' - what other problems? maintenance perhaps? The video covers why the crashes are usually blamed on pilot error, its to protect what is left of the industry. The Video does have a certain amount of spin, but it doesnt change the fact that Russian Civil aviation is not in good health.

The problem is unlikley to be Russian aircraft design which has always been extremely solid. But poor maintainance and life expired planes is recipie for disaster.
We are talking about human lives at stake, so better to either swallow ones pride and buy better maintained planes from abroad...
- OR someone needs to give the Russian Civil Aviation some serious invenstment so they can produce more than 1 new plane a year and start exporting.
But with the failure rate of Russian airliners so proportionally high, it gives them a bad reputation, making it harder to compete with Airbus and Boeing who dominate the market.

But Remember we should remember that we are only talking about Russian civil aviation, its military Aviation is doing just fine

Originally Posted by JU_88

But Remember we should remember that we are only talking about Russian civil aviation, its military Aviation is doing just fine

Nothing is doing just fine in Russia =]

jet fighters and helicopters also are good to crash there.

Make some research and it will proove you wrong about military aviation =]

Only in Russia:
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[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by JU_88

When you say 'pilot error or other problems' - what other problems? maintenance perhaps?

Generally, if you can pin it down to a maintenance problem, now it is not the pilot's fault, would it?

Anyway, there are some problems with traffic control (the ancient Russian airacraft that are crashing are generally in the Russian boonies, while the newfangled Boeings and Airbuses get relatively nice facilities like Domodevo and international routes).

The video covers why the crashes are usually blamed on pilot error, its to protect what is left of the industry. The Video does have a certain amount of spin, but it doesnt change the fact that Russian Civil aviation is not in good health.

Oh, I agree, and its health is not improved by this video. This film is only half a step up from those Japanese netizens who almost laughed out loud when those two Chinese high-speed trains collided a couple months ago.

We are talking about human lives at stake, so better to either swallow ones pride and buy better maintained planes from abroad...
- OR someone needs to give the Russian Civil Aviation some serious invenstment so they can produce more than 1 new plane a year and start exporting.
But with the failure rate of Russian airliners so proportionally high, it gives them a bad reputation, making it harder to compete with Airbus and Boeing who dominate the market.

But Remember we should remember that we are only talking about Russian civil aviation, its military Aviation is doing just fine

Call me a Russophile but in the long run Option 2 is probably better for Russia. They need some competitive secondary industry, and since it would never be cars, personal computers, VCRs or the like, at least with planes they have a chance.

They really need a break, away from Americans who make this kind of film, so their new generation planes can actually get rolling and replacing the older generation planes.

[Oberon]

Russian stuff is fine, it's Chinese made stuff that explodes at random.

But seriously though, I wouldn't underestimate Russian equipment, if properly maintained and kept it can be the equal of something western built. As we found out when the wall fell down during the tests in Germany.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Russian stuff is fine, it's Chinese made stuff that explodes at random.

But seriously though, I wouldn't underestimate Russian equipment, if properly maintained and kept it can be the equal of something western built. As we found out when the wall fell down during the tests in Germany.

Russians make stuff to serve for you like for 50 years forward.

why ?

Because they think it's already perfect and there's nothing more to improve

Sad isn't it ? Mentality of non progressing country..

Imagine you baught a soviet style fridge 40 years ago. Today - the out dated design no how fits your newly made kitchen upkeep. It makes loud noise

when it's motor is working, but you made up with it long time ago. White Interior panel, will never come back and now it looks somewhat yelowish-white,

since it was new only 40 years ago. Power saving ? Are you kidding me ? People never thought about this in soviet union back at the time.

Despite you clean the interior regulary you can't rid of the smell of soured milk mixed with a smell of ham, since it doens't have common anti-bacterium

technology installed.

What's left of Positive is - It still makes noise and works. It never broke down for you whole 40 years of service.

That's what you get if you buy russian stuff basicly.

At least the stuff worked that way made in soviet union. =]

[Skybird]

Russia has a well-known tradition of always claiming "pilot's error" first when something happened. They do it by reflex to prevent examination of other factors as well: aircraft, maintenance, tower, TRACON communications, etc. - all those things that in case beign found "guilty" would cost them more money. It is cheaper to just blame it on a dead man. - The case of the Polish presidential machine crashing should be excluded here, since it is distorting the discussion due to the high profile of the case, and the many indices that the pilots' responsibility to decide were interferred by ground staff and the staff of the president aboard, at the same time.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

Nothing is doing just fine in Russia =]

jet fighters and helicopters also are good to crash there.

Make some research and it will proove you wrong about military aviation =]

Western jets and helis crash too you know.
Anyway my point being that many nations BUY military aircraft from Russia, their military aircraft can compete with western designs of the same type and era. E.g a Sukhoi PAK FA could give an F-22 a run for its money (and visa versa.) Both are exceptional machines.

Originally Posted by JU_88

Western jets and helis crash too you know.
Anyway my point being that many nations BUY military aircraft from Russia, their military aircraft can compete with western designs. E.g a Sukhoi PAK FA could give an F-22 a run for its money (and visa versa.)

Let's guess what countrys are keen to buy russian aircraft or any other military technology instead of western.

1. Belarus.
2. N. Korea
3. Venezuela
4. Lybia (under Gadaffi Regime)
5. Syria
6. China (probably)

Simple answer is - plain politics and discounts for stuff that comes together with it.

Russia is strongly lacking behind in technologies and it is not a secret to anyone.

As an example: History itself explains the fact that trade of military equipment has strong links with politics is the war in Vietnam.

[JU_88]

So what? A sale is a sale.

Originally Posted by JU_88

So what? A sale is a sale.

For shortsighted it's just a sale.

You don't see any similarities between these countries ?