Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested

nikimcbee · 10-18-11, 08:04 PM

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JU_88 · 10-18-11, 08:16 PM

Its very very long, but I think everyone should watch this

(Especially Americans)

joea · 10-19-11, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Its very very long, but I think everyone should watch this

(Especially Americans)

Doubt some here will even click on it...

JU_88 · 10-19-11, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

Doubt some here will even click on it...

That is a shame, its disturbing to say the least but it explains ALOT.

I'd urge everyone to watch it from start to finish before drawing conclusions, try not to dismiss it after 2 minutes or just attack its credibility, please give him a fair chance and hear what he has to say from his own experience and try to crossreference any thing you doubt. What he is presenting is NOT a conspiricy theory its an account - and his actions and investigation have cost him his career.
He is not asking viewers to take his word for it at face value either, hes encouraging everyone to look in to it for themselves.
Its not easy to digest but its certainly something of a wake up call.

CaptainHaplo · 10-19-11, 08:02 AM

JU_88,

I watched the whole thing. Its not a conspiracy theory. It is however a purely leftist presentation of the facts.

The first 4 minutes is all about how corporations are evil and lists isolated scandals as if they are pervasive. At around 5:20 the interviewee admits that the issue was the SEC failing to do its job. Later, in the 7:00-8:00 minute time frame, the same is repeated.

The SEC is run by politicians - they are political appointees of the President confirmed by the Senate - and has a majority of Democrats as its oversight.

It proves what I have said elsewhere - the corporations are not the problem - the problem is in the governmental construct (the SEC) that has failed in ITS job to oversee business. But the "documentary" doesn't want to touch that fact - because supposedly - the government that screwed us all the first time is the answer to fixing it all.

Its propoganda - easily punctured by fact.

mookiemookie · 10-19-11, 08:12 AM

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The SEC is run by politicians - they are political appointees of the President confirmed by the Senate - and has a majority of Democrats as its oversight.

If you want to play partisan politics on this, you will lose. Not to mention, you're flat out wrong.

"The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work." - Christopher Cox, Republican, George W. Bush nominee and then-Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission in September, 2008

Anyone that wants to blame one side or the other for the financial crisis is sorely mistaken.

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the corporations are not the problem

It's defies belief that after all that's happened in even just the past four years, let alone longer, someone could state this with a straight face. Giving the companies who blew up the world economy a free pass is galling.

I will agree that lack of governmental oversight is one of the key causes of the financial crisis. But the solution to that is not more lack of governmental oversight. That makes no sense.

CaptainHaplo · 10-19-11, 08:38 AM

Once again, you miss the point mookie.

Tell me - how will taking the wealth of corporations or the "rich" create jobs? How will trusting the politicians who sat by and watched this happen the first time, with the expectation that they are going to fix it now - going to help? How is taxing every "millionaire" - when the vast majority of them are small business owners who don't MAKE a million - but simply have a REVENUE of 1 million or more - going to help our economy?

None of it will!

What's amazing is that you want to refuse to THINK about this, and instead react with "well company XYZ didn't pay any taxes, they should PAY!" - yes they should - so lets agree to end all the loopholes. But who put the loopholes there? Lobbyists ask for em - but POLITICIANS put them there because they are the ones that write the laws!

Want to say business screwed us? Fine - but guess what - if so, they did it (in most cases) legally - which while you don't like it, and I don't like it - your angst should be pointed at the ones who wrote (and enforced - or in this case - failed to enforce) those laws.

This whole OWS is all about jealousy - take from those rich cats, but don't touch my $5500 macbook. Whats theirs is mine and whats mine is mine. Its not justice, its selfishness. Course you avoided that whole discussion, didn't you.......

Has anyone noticed that the crowd is generally 20 somethings and 40+ somethings? Those of us in "Generation X" - labelled slackers and whatnot so long ago - are the ones that are keeping this country afloat. 99% my a$$ - OWS has had so many polls done in it - by the left and right both - and it consistently polls as hard, hard left. 30+% support violence to take from the "rich". 65% support government funded higher education and health care to all - regardless of the cost.

Its nothing more than the old hippies and the new hippies, just with different hairdo's, screaming in the streets like they did in the 60's, while the silent majority looks on with disdain. The silent majority will speak again soon. And the left won't like it.

If government oversight failed - why is more government oversight the answer then Mookie?

JU_88 · 10-19-11, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I watched the whole thing. Its not a conspiracy theory. It is however a purely leftist presentation of the facts..

In what way? Can we not step out side the left/right box for 30 minutes?
He is hardly a communist for crying out loud. there is no suggestion of his political alignment at all.

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The first 4 minutes is all about how corporations are evil and lists isolated scandals as if they are pervasive. ..

And we can prove these scandles are not pervasive because...?
I agree thta intro is presented as a bit of a cliche, but the content of the interview has no bearing on 'leftism' or 'rightism' he is not placing the blame on either side of the spetrum,

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

At around 5:20 the interviewee admits that the issue was the SEC failing to do its job. Later, in the 7:00-8:00 minute time frame, the same is repeated.

It proves what I have said elsewhere - the corporations are not the problem - the problem is in the governmental construct (the SEC) that has failed in ITS job to oversee business.
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I fail to see the contradiction here. It seems the interviewer confirmed what you already believe? I dont understand your point.
If co-operations were not a problem - there wouldnt need to be a SEC in the first place. Yes the SEC failed, and the result is what? the co-operations do as they please.

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Its propoganda - easily punctured by fact .

Which 'facts' are those?
How can you be so 100% sure that this is the propoganda and what you believe is not?
This guy is telling us what he has seen the going on first hand, are we to believe he has fabricated the whole thing? and if so for what purpose, whats in it for him exacly?

soopaman2 · 10-19-11, 09:17 AM

The thing is with government cabinet positions is they typically either came from or are aspiring to serve on the boards of companies they are supposed to regulate.

Look at the CEO of GE, the billionaire profits, tax evaders and subsidy abusers.

Man names Jeffrey Imelt runs it...He is also in charge of Barak Obammys so called jobs council...Conflict of interest anyone? No wonder we have 20% real unempkoyment here. The council to advise and provide is ran by an outsourcer and subsidy abuser. (yes I said it again)

Conflict of interest or....

Systematic corruption.

I choose the latter.

AVGWarhawk · 10-19-11, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Its very very long, but I think everyone should watch this

(Especially Americans)

They make movies about this activity. Good video though. This activity happens at all levels of business. Just not on the same scale. So, this type of problem does not happen in other countries?

JU_88 · 10-19-11, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

They make movies about this activity. Good video though. This activity happens at all levels of business. Just not on the same scale. So, this type of problem does not happen in other countries?

Im sure it does, we are talking about multi-nationals after all, but thats not what this is focusing on in the video.

I almost find it frustrating seeing people continue to push the same tired old aguments, blame it on the Demos / Reps.
Its like watching a cat chase its own tail.
What happens when we have situations that don't fit inside this redundant partisan mindset?

Different puppet - same hand, even a child can see that they have both sold out, so which ever one youre gunning for - its pretty much academic really.
Private funding for political parties doesnt work, lobbyiest can virtually buy the policies they want.

August · 10-19-11, 10:56 AM

So much for the "peaceful movement". Hey at least they didn't threaten to use guns eh Mookie?

Tchocky · 10-19-11, 11:31 AM

It's always possible to pick out the most outrageous signs from a protest, we saw it happen plenty with the Tea Party protests earlier. I'll point out that I've seen more violent/unsettling things from Tea Party-associated rallies and such, but I'm pretty biased here.

The Tea Party object to being compared to OWS on grounds of incoherence and no settled message. They have mounted a fairly strong PR offensive to disavow any comparison. The TP aren't incoherent or unsettled now, but they certainly were once at the stage OWS are now, hence the grumpiness and anger about the comparison. I think the TP feel like they're not getting credit for growing as a political force.

mookiemookie · 10-19-11, 11:38 AM

To quote tater from long ago:

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Yeah, a couple hateful signs means that the the basic sentiment of the movement.

What % of all the signs were hateful. Be precise.

What does that % tell you about the other people there? That's right, nothing since there was zero control over who came.

But I'm sure it's completely different this time.

soopaman2 · 10-19-11, 11:40 AM

At least they aren't openly armed like the early Tea party raliies.

Screaming hate about Obama with guns on their hips.. Yeah much more moral than the OWS scumbuckets.

Take note of the shirt the first guy was wearing, call that bull.

10-18-11, 08:04 PM	#1
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JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,814 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Its very very long, but I think everyone should watch this (Especially Americans) Last edited by JU_88; 10-18-11 at 08:37 PM.

10-19-11, 08:02 AM	#5
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	JU_88, I watched the whole thing. Its not a conspiracy theory. It is however a purely leftist presentation of the facts. The first 4 minutes is all about how corporations are evil and lists isolated scandals as if they are pervasive. At around 5:20 the interviewee admits that the issue was the SEC failing to do its job. Later, in the 7:00-8:00 minute time frame, the same is repeated. The SEC is run by politicians - they are political appointees of the President confirmed by the Senate - and has a majority of Democrats as its oversight. It proves what I have said elsewhere - the corporations are not the problem - the problem is in the governmental construct (the SEC) that has failed in ITS job to oversee business. But the "documentary" doesn't want to touch that fact - because supposedly - the government that screwed us all the first time is the answer to fixing it all. Its propoganda - easily punctured by fact. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

10-19-11, 08:38 AM	#7
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Once again, you miss the point mookie. Tell me - how will taking the wealth of corporations or the "rich" create jobs? How will trusting the politicians who sat by and watched this happen the first time, with the expectation that they are going to fix it now - going to help? How is taxing every "millionaire" - when the vast majority of them are small business owners who don't MAKE a million - but simply have a REVENUE of 1 million or more - going to help our economy? None of it will! What's amazing is that you want to refuse to THINK about this, and instead react with "well company XYZ didn't pay any taxes, they should PAY!" - yes they should - so lets agree to end all the loopholes. But who put the loopholes there? Lobbyists ask for em - but POLITICIANS put them there because they are the ones that write the laws! Want to say business screwed us? Fine - but guess what - if so, they did it (in most cases) legally - which while you don't like it, and I don't like it - your angst should be pointed at the ones who wrote (and enforced - or in this case - failed to enforce) those laws. This whole OWS is all about jealousy - take from those rich cats, but don't touch my $5500 macbook. Whats theirs is mine and whats mine is mine. Its not justice, its selfishness. Course you avoided that whole discussion, didn't you....... Has anyone noticed that the crowd is generally 20 somethings and 40+ somethings? Those of us in "Generation X" - labelled slackers and whatnot so long ago - are the ones that are keeping this country afloat. 99% my a$$ - OWS has had so many polls done in it - by the left and right both - and it consistently polls as hard, hard left. 30+% support violence to take from the "rich". 65% support government funded higher education and health care to all - regardless of the cost. Its nothing more than the old hippies and the new hippies, just with different hairdo's, screaming in the streets like they did in the 60's, while the silent majority looks on with disdain. The silent majority will speak again soon. And the left won't like it. If government oversight failed - why is more government oversight the answer then Mookie? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

10-19-11, 09:17 AM	#9
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	The thing is with government cabinet positions is they typically either came from or are aspiring to serve on the boards of companies they are supposed to regulate. Look at the CEO of GE, the billionaire profits, tax evaders and subsidy abusers. Man names Jeffrey Imelt runs it...He is also in charge of Barak Obammys so called jobs council...Conflict of interest anyone? No wonder we have 20% real unempkoyment here. The council to advise and provide is ran by an outsourcer and subsidy abuser. (yes I said it again) Conflict of interest or.... Systematic corruption. I choose the latter. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-19-11, 10:56 AM	#12
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,228 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So much for the "peaceful movement". Hey at least they didn't threaten to use guns eh Mookie? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

10-19-11, 11:31 AM	#13
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	It's always possible to pick out the most outrageous signs from a protest, we saw it happen plenty with the Tea Party protests earlier. I'll point out that I've seen more violent/unsettling things from Tea Party-associated rallies and such, but I'm pretty biased here. The Tea Party object to being compared to OWS on grounds of incoherence and no settled message. They have mounted a fairly strong PR offensive to disavow any comparison. The TP aren't incoherent or unsettled now, but they certainly were once at the stage OWS are now, hence the grumpiness and anger about the comparison. I think the TP feel like they're not getting credit for growing as a political force. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

10-19-11, 11:40 AM	#15
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	At least they aren't openly armed like the early Tea party raliies. Screaming hate about Obama with guns on their hips.. Yeah much more moral than the OWS scumbuckets. Take note of the shirt the first guy was wearing, call that bull. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.