Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested

[flatsixes]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

So a biased poll of 200 people, most likely cherry picked, tells the story of a global movement. Sure. By the way, quoting an opinion piece out of the Rupert Murdoch owned WSJ on the OWS movement like it's a reputable and reliable piece of journalism...that's a knee slapper. If that's the standard we're going for, why don't I just start quoting Daily Kos.

If you'd like to quote the Daily Kos, go right ahead. That's what differences of opinion are all about. But I think that your wholesale rejection of the poll that I linked to is a bit knee-jerk. Yes, the article appeared in the Wall Street Journal, and yes, that paper is owned by News Corp, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch. But if you actually read the piece, you would have noticed that the author is a Democratic pollster, and that he was (in essence) warning his fellow Democrats about getting too cozy with the OWS movement before learning more about them.

Of course, you're free to agree or disagree with his results, but I suggest that you spend a moment or two to read the article before dismissing the source out of hand. You can always slap your knees later.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But personal insult and invective are Coulter's stock-in-trade. She brings out the worst in people, even good folks like Mookie.

That is definitely true Steve.

[yubba]

Lions and tigers and bears oh my lions and tigers and bears oh my, Liars and commies and nazis oh my, been a little busy, learned that the American Nazi and Communist parties are giving support too the occupiers, yubba also learned new word, the word of the day, boys and girls is sedition, you guys seem pretty smart, explain to yubba why this isn't sedition. http://www.ask.com/wiki/Sedition and why the government has not denounce this movement, I guess this is why they are not burning store fronts here in the states. Heard on the radio that the occupiers are having things like cameras and laptops being stolen from them, liberals stealing from liberals what a tootie fruity world they live in, if they don't believe in capitalism why do they have such things. Last yubba heard nazis were pretty racist, now who did they hate yubba hate nazis, nazis kill family members on big beach in France in big war, yubba not fond of france either. So who's the terrorist the Tea Party or the Occupiers.

[nikimcbee]

Wow, these flea-baggers are brilliant!

They need to keep these obamavilles alive and kicking through the election.



3 cheers for obamunism.


Abolish the money!
Share everything.

Yubba, now you stay away from those flea-baggers. I can't afford the the flea meds again.

[nikimcbee]

Global equantity!

[JU_88]

Its very very long, but I think everyone should watch this (Especially Americans)

[nikimcbee]

The leaders of obamunism. The Green Guard?

[joea]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Its very very long, but I think everyone should watch this (Especially Americans)

Doubt some here will even click on it...

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by joea

Doubt some here will even click on it...

That is a shame, its disturbing to say the least but it explains ALOT.

I'd urge everyone to watch it from start to finish before drawing conclusions, try not to dismiss it after 2 minutes or just attack its credibility, please give him a fair chance and hear what he has to say from his own experience and try to crossreference any thing you doubt. What he is presenting is NOT a conspiricy theory its an account - and his actions and investigation have cost him his career.
He is not asking viewers to take his word for it at face value either, hes encouraging everyone to look in to it for themselves.
Its not easy to digest but its certainly something of a wake up call.

[CaptainHaplo]

JU_88,

I watched the whole thing. Its not a conspiracy theory. It is however a purely leftist presentation of the facts.

The first 4 minutes is all about how corporations are evil and lists isolated scandals as if they are pervasive. At around 5:20 the interviewee admits that the issue was the SEC failing to do its job. Later, in the 7:00-8:00 minute time frame, the same is repeated.

The SEC is run by politicians - they are political appointees of the President confirmed by the Senate - and has a majority of Democrats as its oversight.

It proves what I have said elsewhere - the corporations are not the problem - the problem is in the governmental construct (the SEC) that has failed in ITS job to oversee business. But the "documentary" doesn't want to touch that fact - because supposedly - the government that screwed us all the first time is the answer to fixing it all.

Its propoganda - easily punctured by fact.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The SEC is run by politicians - they are political appointees of the President confirmed by the Senate - and has a majority of Democrats as its oversight.

If you want to play partisan politics on this, you will lose. Not to mention, you're flat out wrong.

"The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work." - Christopher Cox, Republican, George W. Bush nominee and then-Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission in September, 2008

Anyone that wants to blame one side or the other for the financial crisis is sorely mistaken.

the corporations are not the problem

It's defies belief that after all that's happened in even just the past four years, let alone longer, someone could state this with a straight face. Giving the companies who blew up the world economy a free pass is galling.

I will agree that lack of governmental oversight is one of the key causes of the financial crisis. But the solution to that is not more lack of governmental oversight. That makes no sense.

[CaptainHaplo]

Once again, you miss the point mookie.

Tell me - how will taking the wealth of corporations or the "rich" create jobs? How will trusting the politicians who sat by and watched this happen the first time, with the expectation that they are going to fix it now - going to help? How is taxing every "millionaire" - when the vast majority of them are small business owners who don't MAKE a million - but simply have a REVENUE of 1 million or more - going to help our economy?

None of it will!

What's amazing is that you want to refuse to THINK about this, and instead react with "well company XYZ didn't pay any taxes, they should PAY!" - yes they should - so lets agree to end all the loopholes. But who put the loopholes there? Lobbyists ask for em - but POLITICIANS put them there because they are the ones that write the laws!

Want to say business screwed us? Fine - but guess what - if so, they did it (in most cases) legally - which while you don't like it, and I don't like it - your angst should be pointed at the ones who wrote (and enforced - or in this case - failed to enforce) those laws.

This whole OWS is all about jealousy - take from those rich cats, but don't touch my $5500 macbook. Whats theirs is mine and whats mine is mine. Its not justice, its selfishness. Course you avoided that whole discussion, didn't you.......

Has anyone noticed that the crowd is generally 20 somethings and 40+ somethings? Those of us in "Generation X" - labelled slackers and whatnot so long ago - are the ones that are keeping this country afloat. 99% my a$$ - OWS has had so many polls done in it - by the left and right both - and it consistently polls as hard, hard left. 30+% support violence to take from the "rich". 65% support government funded higher education and health care to all - regardless of the cost.

Its nothing more than the old hippies and the new hippies, just with different hairdo's, screaming in the streets like they did in the 60's, while the silent majority looks on with disdain. The silent majority will speak again soon. And the left won't like it.

If government oversight failed - why is more government oversight the answer then Mookie?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Tell me - how will taking the wealth of corporations or the "rich" create jobs?

It's not about taking the wealth from the rich. It's about them paying their fair share. Why does a multibillion dollar corporation pay no taxes? Why do they receive corporate welfare when corporate profits are at record highs? Meanwhile, schools are overcrowded, bridges are crumbling, property taxes are going up in order to make up the shortfall. How is that even remotely fair to ask those with the least ability to pay to take up the slack of those getting a free ride?

How will trusting the politicians who sat by and watched this happen the first time, with the expectation that they are going to fix it now - going to help?

You're missing the point now. The point is telling the politicians that we're not going to put up with them sitting back and collecting lobbyist dollars without reigning in the excesses. If they refuse to listen, they'll be replaced.

How is taxing every "millionaire" - when the vast majority of them are small business owners who don't MAKE a million - but simply have a REVENUE of 1 million or more - going to help our economy?

How is shifting the tax burden on to the lower and middle class going to help it? You have to tax and cut spending on them a hell of a lot more to make up the revenue lost by letting people like GE get away with paying no tax at all.

What's amazing is that you want to refuse to THINK about this

No, I've thought about it and I reject your viewpoint.

and instead react with "well company XYZ didn't pay any taxes, they should PAY!" - yes they should

Damn skippy

- so lets agree to end all the loopholes.

Yay!

But who put the loopholes there? Lobbyists ask for em - but POLITICIANS put them there because they are the ones that write the laws!

And who wouldn't be against crony capitalism?

Want to say business screwed us? Fine - but guess what - if so, they did it (in most cases) legally - which while you don't like it, and I don't like it - your angst should be pointed at the ones who wrote (and enforced - or in this case - failed to enforce) those laws.

It is. But it takes two to tango. Politicians aren't going to work for you unless you pay them off. That's the WHOLE POINT of the protests. It's letting them know that they work for US, and that money and politics DON'T mix.

This whole OWS is all about jealousy - take from those rich cats, but don't touch my $5500 macbook. Whats theirs is mine and whats mine is mine. Its not justice, its selfishness. Course you avoided that whole discussion, didn't you.......

Because it's absolute bullschitt and has no substance. Ending crony capitalism is jealousy? What planet do you live on? Thinking something's wrong when unemployment is at multi-generational highs yet corporate profits and income for the top 1% of earners is at multi-generational highs is jealousy? No, it's pointing out that there's a disconnect in the system.

Watch this:

This whole corporate welfare thing is all about jealousy - take from the taxpayers, but don't touch my profits. Whats theirs is mine and whats mine is mine. Socialize the losses and privatize the profits. Its not justice, its selfishness. Course you avoided that whole discussion, didn't you.......

Has anyone noticed that the crowd is generally 20 somethings and 40+ somethings? Those of us in "Generation X" - labelled slackers and whatnot so long ago - are the ones that are keeping this country afloat. 99% my a$$ - OWS has had so many polls done in it - by the left and right both - and it consistently polls as hard, hard left. 30+% support violence to take from the "rich". 65% support government funded higher education and health care to all - regardless of the cost.

Has anyone noticed that the opportunities for 20 somethings are not there like they were for 20 somethings in generations past because of the situation they're protesting? You don't think they're going to be a little pissed off over that fact? There's been studies that have shown that this will be the first generation to earn less than their parents. You don't think that something's changed?

Its nothing more than the old hippies and the new hippies, just with different hairdo's, screaming in the streets like they did in the 60's, while the silent majority looks on with disdain. The silent majority will speak again soon. And the left won't like it.

The silent majority is dying off every day, taking with it the fear and hatred and ignorance that it revels in.

If government oversight failed - why is more government oversight the answer then Mookie?

Did you read anything I posted? If lack of government oversight helped cause the failure, how is more lack of it the answer?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I watched the whole thing. Its not a conspiracy theory. It is however a purely leftist presentation of the facts..

In what way? Can we not step out side the left/right box for 30 minutes?
He is hardly a communist for crying out loud. there is no suggestion of his political alignment at all.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The first 4 minutes is all about how corporations are evil and lists isolated scandals as if they are pervasive. ..

And we can prove these scandles are not pervasive because...?
I agree thta intro is presented as a bit of a cliche, but the content of the interview has no bearing on 'leftism' or 'rightism' he is not placing the blame on either side of the spetrum,

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

At around 5:20 the interviewee admits that the issue was the SEC failing to do its job. Later, in the 7:00-8:00 minute time frame, the same is repeated.

It proves what I have said elsewhere - the corporations are not the problem - the problem is in the governmental construct (the SEC) that has failed in ITS job to oversee business.
.

I fail to see the contradiction here. It seems the interviewer confirmed what you already believe? I dont understand your point.
If co-operations were not a problem - there wouldnt need to be a SEC in the first place. Yes the SEC failed, and the result is what? the co-operations do as they please.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Its propoganda - easily punctured by fact .

Which 'facts' are those?
How can you be so 100% sure that this is the propoganda and what you believe is not?
This guy is telling us what he has seen the going on first hand, are we to believe he has fabricated the whole thing? and if so for what purpose, whats in it for him exacly?

[soopaman2]

The thing is with government cabinet positions is they typically either came from or are aspiring to serve on the boards of companies they are supposed to regulate.

Look at the CEO of GE, the billionaire profits, tax evaders and subsidy abusers.

Man names Jeffrey Imelt runs it...He is also in charge of Barak Obammys so called jobs council...Conflict of interest anyone? No wonder we have 20% real unempkoyment here. The council to advise and provide is ran by an outsourcer and subsidy abuser. (yes I said it again)

Conflict of interest or....

Systematic corruption.

I choose the latter.