U.S. Says Iran-Tied Terror Plot in Washington, D.C. Disrupted

soopaman2 · 10-11-11, 02:51 PM

I love the USA...

Can I be skeptical without being put in the "tinfoil hat guy" category.

I need more solid proof, Iran is one of Russia and Chinas favorite new allies (anyone who hates the USA allies with folks like Iran and N korea just to tweak us) and could mean trouble.

I am so sick of war, I been to enough funerals, one of them closed casket.

If the proof is there then effing nuke them, no more men should die of religious zealout hatred. But overall it just needs to stop, leave us alone, we leave them alone

Geez I sound like a peace loving hippy...But isn't there a time where enough is enough?

Krauter · 10-11-11, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I love the USA...

Can I be skeptical without being put in the "tinfoil hat guy" category.

I need more solid proof, Iran is one of Russia and Chinas favorite new allies (anyone who hates the USA allies with folks like Iran and N korea just to tweak us) and could mean trouble.

I am so sick of war, I been to enough funerals, one of them closed casket.

If the proof is there then effing nuke them, no more men should die of religious zealout hatred. But overall it just needs to stop, leave us alone, we leave them alone

Geez I sound like a peace loving hippy...But isn't there a time where enough is enough?

Just a few points.. No you don't sound like a peace loving hippy. A peace loving hippy wouldn't say nuke them and get over it, he'd probably advocate peace...

Also, how does nuking someone on evidence of terrorism or hatred towards the US help anyone at all? Why not just have everyone launch and whoevers left can claim to be the winner.

/facepalm

soopaman2 · 10-11-11, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

Just a few points.. No you don't sound like a peace loving hippy. A peace loving hippy wouldn't say nuke them and get over it, he'd probably advocate peace...

Also, how does nuking someone on evidence of terrorism or hatred towards the US help anyone at all? Why not just have everyone launch and whoevers left can claim to be the winner.

/facepalm

Yeah facepalm. You guys up north have always been more tolerant of abuse than us. It don't effect you. Whens the last time someone wanted a Canadian dead...Never. Your a jerk if you want to kill a Canuck!

Every few months Iran finds a new way to tweak us, while Russia and China laugh on, knowing they can block anything we try to do in the UN.

My hippy comment came from my (and our as a nations) general war wearyness.

My nuke them comment came from my intolerance to being taunted by a weakling who has nothing but 2 bulldogs and barely a capibility to hit its near neighbor (Israel) with nukes, much less across an ocean.

Go on mock me.

JU_88 · 10-11-11, 03:30 PM

I seriously doubt Iran would do this, what is their motive? someone please explain, The Iranian govenment is not that stupid.
Im very VERY suspicious of this.
We dont need yet another war based on another lie. we cannot aford any more wars right now, and enough soldiers have died already.
They better have Rock solid proof to support this allegation.

AVGWarhawk · 10-11-11, 03:40 PM

Like JU88 said, this would spurn yet another war. We need that like a trap door in a canoe.

vienna · 10-11-11, 03:47 PM

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The Iranian govenment is not that stupid.

No, maybe not the Iranian government, but Ahmadinejad is and more so; he's stupid and a fanatic. It is just possible such a plot would have been viewed as feasible with the opportunity to place the blame on Al Queda and, maybe drive a bit of a wedge between the U.S. and the Saudis. Not that I personally believe Ahmadinejad would have gotten away clean if the plot was carried out; but, we are dealing with irrational fanatics and the laws of reason do not necessarily apply.

Skybird · 10-11-11, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

No, maybe not the Iranian government, but Ahmadinejad is and more so;

I am not certain that it is Ahmadinejadh. He is at odds with the clerics, and in recent years the Revolutionary Guards have gained in additional power and influence, strengthening their sovereignity and authority both in the military and the civilian sector. Parts of the civilian economy and key industries are controlled by them, they are a state within the state. I would assume any source for major drives to strike at Israel or the West to be located in their ranks more than anywhere else in Iran. Ahmadinejadh maybe is just a noisy clown (that is why the clerics do not like him, he attracts too much attention to things that Iran originally wanted to kept in the hidden).

Kaye T. Bai · 10-11-11, 04:20 PM

This doesn't really surprise me much. The Iranians and Saudis have been at each other's throats for control over the Middle East for as long as anyone can remember. Just goes to show that Muslims hate each other way more than they do non-Muslims; all this talk of a global Islamic brotherhood is bullsh*t, as it'll never happen. Hell, even secular democracies have trouble getting along with each other. Take a look at the Troubles in Ireland, where Christians were at each others throats. It's just human nature, I guess.

em2nought · 10-11-11, 07:17 PM

You see what happens when you start protesting on wall street.

Skybird · 10-11-11, 03:45 PM

Good joke, Jim, I didn't know that one.

Onm the issue, let'S wait how it shapes up. The plot is several weeks ago, it seesm they really wanted to take the time to make this as fail-safe and tight a case as they could.

The motivation of Iran could be to disrupt ties between the US and Saudi Arabia - Iran's biggest rival for dominance in the region. Also hasn't Iran repeatedly threatened to wipe out Israel? You do not expect too much reasonability from a voice saying so, do you, JU_88...?! Even more so when they mean it?!

For the US, this is two-sided an affair. Military action woudkl mean more costs, and that in the current time of financial crisis, and maybe the third war within just ten years, if they go all the way. It could also be an opportunity or an argument to go after that Iranian nuclear weapon program, via air strikes, special ops and together with the Israelis. That program does not disappear all by itself, you know.

Whatever, sending agents to a foreign nation to assassinate people there and blowing up places, imo is nothing else but a declaration of war. I mean you cannot act any more hostile than killing people and blowing up places, and intentionally so.

Wwe now need to wait and see what evidence the US is showing up with. If it is a speculation like mobile bio-labs in Itran, or a Powellian phiola with "antrax" powder theatralically shown to the camera, then it is a fake. If it is something better founded - then it becomes complex for Obama, because he could not afford to ignore the incident then. The chance to win profile in a military campaign, improving election chances by that and giving Iran a bloody nose, versus a war-tired sentiment in the US, loosing election chances therefore, and a crisis of the American finance system.

JU_88 · 10-11-11, 04:22 PM

@Skybird,

Honestly honestly mate, I dont know what or who to believe anymore, while Ahmadinejad is hardly trust worthy we've had so many porkie pies from our own governments the last few years (the last century even) someone remind me why we went to war in Iraq again?

Even Afgahnistan was sketchy, 10 years to find 6 foot man on dialysis who somehow managed to pull off a muliple airline hijacking & suicide attack in a country that has the best air defense and tracking system in the world (bar none).
Hard to swallow? well for me yes it is actually... while im not excatly 'Troofer' material I'm sorry to say that I am skeptical, and im sorry if that offends anyone here.

I dont like to wildly accuse our govenments of 'conspiring' I really dont,
but at the same time, It appears that they might not be so incapable of it either.
History has shown us that when political leaders want a war, they will make is so, though whatever means nessecary.

So i dont know, I 'give up' if you like. sod it, if we have another war, we have another war and if we're lucky we'll wont have a nuclear exchange. What else is there to say....

mapuc · 10-11-11, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Good joke, Jim, I didn't know that one.

Onm the issue, let'S wait how it shapes up. The plot is several weeks ago, it seesm they really wanted to take the time to make this as fail-safe and tight a case as they could.

The motivation of Iran could be to disrupt ties between the US and Saudi Arabia - Iran's biggest rival for dominance in the region. Also hasn't Iran repeatedly threatened to wipe out Israel? You do not expect too much reasonability from a voice saying so, do you, JU_88...?! Even more so when they mean it?!

For the US, this is two-sided an affair. Military action woudkl mean more costs, and that in the current time of financial crisis, and maybe the third war within just ten years, if they go all the way. It could also be an opportunity or an argument to go after that Iranian nuclear weapon program, via air strikes, special ops and together with the Israelis. That program does not disappear all by itself, you know.

Whatever, sending agents to a foreign nation to assassinate people there and blowing up places, imo is nothing else but a declaration of war. I mean you cannot act any more hostile than killing people and blowing up places, and intentionally so.

Wwe now need to wait and see what evidence the US is showing up with. If it is a speculation like mobile bio-labs in Itran, or a Powellian phiola with "antrax" powder theatralically shown to the camera, then it is a fake. If it is something better founded - then it becomes complex for Obama, because he could not afford to ignore the incident then. The chance to win profile in a military campaign, improving election chances by that and giving Iran a bloody nose, versus a war-tired sentiment in the US, loosing election chances therefore, and a crisis of the American finance system.

Made me remember one of my own thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=184141

Not exactly the same...

Markus

TLAM Strike · 10-11-11, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I need more solid proof, Iran is one of Russia and Chinas favorite new allies (anyone who hates the USA allies with folks like Iran and N korea just to tweak us) and could mean trouble.

The Russian military has been running wargames in the Caucasus and Caspian simulating a Iranian offensive against the Oil Fields. They also told Iran to get lost of the S-300 missile deal. I think the Russians don't want anything to do with the Iranians anymore.

Anyways
This news doesn't surprise me. Hezbollah a known Iranian Proxy has been working with the Mexican Cartels along the border and this guy says he was seeking aid from the Zetas. Stuff does seem to add up here.

Dowly · 10-11-11, 04:28 PM

Why's everyone talking about Ahmawhatshisface, isn't that other guy in charge
over in Iran?

EDIT: Ali Khamenei is the other dude's name.

TLAM Strike · 10-11-11, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Why's everyone talking about Ahmawhatshisface, isn't that other guy in charge
over in Iran?

EDIT: Ali Khamenei is the other dude's name.

Yea Khamenei and the 12 members of the Guardian counsel are in charge. These are the guys who command the IRGC who control Iran's Ballistic Missiles and their paramilitary group called the Quds Force.

10-11-11, 02:51 PM	#1
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I love the USA... Can I be skeptical without being put in the "tinfoil hat guy" category. I need more solid proof, Iran is one of Russia and Chinas favorite new allies (anyone who hates the USA allies with folks like Iran and N korea just to tweak us) and could mean trouble. I am so sick of war, I been to enough funerals, one of them closed casket. If the proof is there then effing nuke them, no more men should die of religious zealout hatred. But overall it just needs to stop, leave us alone, we leave them alone Geez I sound like a peace loving hippy...But isn't there a time where enough is enough? __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Like JU88 said, this would spurn yet another war. We need that like a trap door in a canoe. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You see what happens when you start protesting on wall street. __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage!

10-11-11, 03:45 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,701 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Good joke, Jim, I didn't know that one. Onm the issue, let'S wait how it shapes up. The plot is several weeks ago, it seesm they really wanted to take the time to make this as fail-safe and tight a case as they could. The motivation of Iran could be to disrupt ties between the US and Saudi Arabia - Iran's biggest rival for dominance in the region. Also hasn't Iran repeatedly threatened to wipe out Israel? You do not expect too much reasonability from a voice saying so, do you, JU_88...?! Even more so when they mean it?! For the US, this is two-sided an affair. Military action woudkl mean more costs, and that in the current time of financial crisis, and maybe the third war within just ten years, if they go all the way. It could also be an opportunity or an argument to go after that Iranian nuclear weapon program, via air strikes, special ops and together with the Israelis. That program does not disappear all by itself, you know. Whatever, sending agents to a foreign nation to assassinate people there and blowing up places, imo is nothing else but a declaration of war. I mean you cannot act any more hostile than killing people and blowing up places, and intentionally so. Wwe now need to wait and see what evidence the US is showing up with. If it is a speculation like mobile bio-labs in Itran, or a Powellian phiola with "antrax" powder theatralically shown to the camera, then it is a fake. If it is something better founded - then it becomes complex for Obama, because he could not afford to ignore the incident then. The chance to win profile in a military campaign, improving election chances by that and giving Iran a bloody nose, versus a war-tired sentiment in the US, loosing election chances therefore, and a crisis of the American finance system. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-11-11, 03:30 PM	#4
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,812 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I seriously doubt Iran would do this, what is their motive? someone please explain, The Iranian govenment is not that stupid. Im very VERY suspicious of this. We dont need yet another war based on another lie. we cannot aford any more wars right now, and enough soldiers have died already. They better have Rock solid proof to support this allegation.

10-11-11, 04:20 PM	#8
Kaye T. Bai Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Western Hemisphere, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster Posts: 585 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	This doesn't really surprise me much. The Iranians and Saudis have been at each other's throats for control over the Middle East for as long as anyone can remember. Just goes to show that Muslims hate each other way more than they do non-Muslims; all this talk of a global Islamic brotherhood is bullsh*t, as it'll never happen. Hell, even secular democracies have trouble getting along with each other. Take a look at the Troubles in Ireland, where Christians were at each others throats. It's just human nature, I guess.

10-11-11, 04:22 PM	#11
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,812 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	@Skybird, Honestly honestly mate, I dont know what or who to believe anymore, while Ahmadinejad is hardly trust worthy we've had so many porkie pies from our own governments the last few years (the last century even) someone remind me why we went to war in Iraq again? Even Afgahnistan was sketchy, 10 years to find 6 foot man on dialysis who somehow managed to pull off a muliple airline hijacking & suicide attack in a country that has the best air defense and tracking system in the world (bar none). Hard to swallow? well for me yes it is actually... while im not excatly 'Troofer' material I'm sorry to say that I am skeptical, and im sorry if that offends anyone here. I dont like to wildly accuse our govenments of 'conspiring' I really dont, but at the same time, It appears that they might not be so incapable of it either. History has shown us that when political leaders want a war, they will make is so, though whatever means nessecary. So i dont know, I 'give up' if you like. sod it, if we have another war, we have another war and if we're lucky we'll wont have a nuclear exchange. What else is there to say....

10-11-11, 04:28 PM	#14
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Why's everyone talking about Ahmawhatshisface, isn't that other guy in charge over in Iran? EDIT: Ali Khamenei is the other dude's name.