Cops Confiscate Lakewood Lady’s Arsenal; Motive Pending

[Platapus]

I like to see girls of that... caliber.

By "caliber," of course, I refer to both the size of their gun barrels and the high quality of their characters... Two meanings... caliber... it's a homonym... Forget it.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by breadcatcher101

Well if she had a "submachine gun" I bet it wasn't full auto. Those run at more than 15k. Probably it was a semi-auto version and not a submachine gun.

Kinda like all these semi-auto "assault weapons", sounds dramatic in the news even they are nothing more than a military looking deer rifle.

If it doesn't rock and roll it is not a machine gun or an assault weapon.

As for the cops stealing her firearms I hope they wind up paying her dearly for their actions.

Uh how do you figure that she cant own a true automatic weapon if she has the proper licensing then she could easily own one you do not have to filthy rich to get a class 3 it is a bit steep to me(cost of it and cost of full auto guns) but if one was really into guns and wanted what a class 3 allows you then that could easily be even a working class persons hobby she may have been collecting for years you dont know.

Just as there are working class people that have classic cars.Besides in the US military "assault rifles" are rarely fired fully auto in fact you are more deadly firing controlled semi auto so in that respect an AR-15 is very very close to an M-4.

If you own an FN FAL or any clone then you have in effect the exact same rifle that the Royal Army and Marines used for many years as their L1A1s where semi automatic only and that still makes it an assault weapon unless you want to argue that no member of the British,Australian,or New Zealand military never used this rifle very effectively in combat aginst enemies that had fully automatic rifles yet got defeated by a semi auto.

[RickC Sniper]

Even if one or more of her firearms were illegal they have no case against her. Evidence was illegally obtained and should legally not be admissable.

Those policemen committed a felony imo. They entered illegally and confiscated illegally......or stole, if you prefer that word.

[Krauter]

If a neighbour or the building owner were to complain about the amount of weapons present and that they felt threatened by that give the police enough cause to enter the apartment (not saying they have a right to confiscate the weapons at all) or would they still need a warrant?

[CaptainHaplo]

In the US, to enter a private residence without a warrant the PD must have reason to believe there is imminent danger to a person. Even if they had reason to believe this to be the case, the seizure of legally owned firearms from a private residence is theft - UNLESS - there is a signed order by a judge allowing for said removal. In cases such as domestic violence, suspected mental instabilty, etc - a person may be ordered to turn over any legally owned firearms until the matter is resolved. However, this exception does not apply in this case as the PD had no such instruction from a judge.

It is also interesting to note that this is not the first time that the City of Lakewood has been involved with refusing to return firearms to a resident who is legally entitled to them.....

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/oh-court-...s/1409848.html

In the case above, an appellate court overruled a lakewood district court decision that kept firearms from their owner.

Interesting that the city of lakewood now has a repeated issue with this - and in this current case, a much more indefensible position than in 2000.

[Krauter]

Aah ok, well I knew for sure that the seizure was completely groundless, but I wasn't sure if the possibility of a neighbour complaining was enough ground for entry.

However, the fact that this girl wasn't even present during the seizure means that the PD cannot claim that they felt threatened by her because she wasn't even there!

In the case above, an appellate court overruled a lakewood district court decision that kept firearms from their owner.

That is a more tricky one, a thief with a firearms conviction and a report for domestic violence.....certainly ticks all the boxes.
Not surprising that the police took the guns or that he didn't object when they removed them.
It takes a decent team to work through those complications and resolve the legal issues.
Interesting dissenting view though, if you lose your property as you have no right to hold that property you lose your property full stop. Later establishing your right to own property does not entitle you to regain property you were not entitled to hold.

As for the original story, has anyone found what the actual reason was why the police where "somehow" interested in this woman and her apartment?

[Gargamel]

Lakewood, Ohio?

Gah.... shoulda known better.

I've seen so much illegal stuff by their police.

I was posted in a park one night, waiting for a call. We (partner and I) heard a crash on the highway behind us, so we swung the squad around to see if anybody needed help. We found an empty car up against the median wall. Few minutes later the cops (lakewood PD) showed up. I saw one of them rooting around inside the front seat of the car, as the door was left open. I didn't think much of it.

Few minutes later, and other cop brings the guy back who had taken off down the street to go find a phone. They let the guy out of the car to start questioning him.

Then the cop in the wrecked car pop's up and says "oh Look at what I found here!" and pulls out a sizable bag of weed from the car.

The guy yells out, "That's not my bag! Mines right here!" and pulls out a much smaller bag from his pocket.



Police Fail on Mutiple levels....

[MH]

The lady should be arrested for keeping this whole arsenal of democracy in her living room unattended.
Think again....its legal in USA.

[Howard313]

Right to have arms.....SUSPENDED!

[Osmium Steele]

Found a picture of her.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

Found a picture of her.

Wow. Bonnie....where's Clyde?

[Platapus]

Nice pair of 45's

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Wow. Bonnie....where's Clyde?

Right here