Perry.."Evolution is a theory"

Growler · 08-19-11, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

...Turkeys are conspiring against humanity to blow up the sun.

They're not? Damn. Wrong bet again.

Sailor Steve · 08-19-11, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

They're not? Damn. Wrong bet again.

Actually they are. And you can trust me, because we're not schizophrenic.

TLAM Strike · 08-19-11, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

They're not? Damn. Wrong bet again.

No but the forces of Global Chickenism are conspiring against us all...

Growler · 08-19-11, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually they are. And you can trust me, because we're not schizophrenic.

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

No but the forces of Global Chickenism are conspiring against us all...

Well? Which is it? I got money on this question!

When my nephews were riding out West to work the Colorado and Arizona Rennaissance Festivals, they swore during the trip through Kansas that it was actually the first enclave of the cow overlords, and that the cows had risen up and imprisoned the humans to be the cows' slaves, and that the cows' dumb demeanor was only a trap to lull the rare passers-by into a false sense of security to make the cows' eventual global domination that much easier to accomplish.

Last time I heard from them, they were in Topeka.

TLAM Strike · 08-19-11, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Well? Which is it? I got money on this question!

When my nephews were riding out West to work the Colorado and Arizona Rennaissance Festivals, they swore during the trip through Kansas that it was actually the first enclave of the cow overlords, and that the cows had risen up and imprisoned the humans to be the cows' slaves, and that the cows' dumb demeanor was only a trap to lull the rare passers-by into a false sense of security to make the cows' eventual global domination that much easier to accomplish.

Last time I heard from them, they were in Topeka.

Sorry to say but your nephews are already dead. Best way to avenge their deaths are to eat as much beef as possible.

antikristuseke · 08-19-11, 12:38 PM

But I prefer pork to beef

Growler · 08-19-11, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sorry to say but your nephews are already dead. Best way to avenge their deaths are to eat as much beef as possible.

They were good lads, they'll be missed.

Anyway, moving on.

Pass me the steak sauce and another beer.

antikristuseke · 08-19-11, 12:54 PM

The following contains creationist logic, read at own risk

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How can you say "The Bible writers were wrong" but "the scientific writers are right?"

Were both not written by humans?

If science is just a conspiracy by the Illuminati, then science can not be relied upon.

If I told an atheist, "prove to me the sun is 93 million miles away from the Earth without consulting a scientific textbook" you wouldn't be able to do it.

I find it very unfair that atheists can cite scientific books as evidence but I can't cite the Bible as evidence.

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Platapus · 08-19-11, 03:01 PM

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If I told an atheist, "prove to me the sun is 93 million miles away from the Earth without consulting a scientific textbook" you wouldn't be able to do it.

The flaw in this logic is that it is not acknowledging that people have different levels of logic.

If you were to as me, an atheist, to prove that the sun is 93 million miles away from the earth, I could not do it without citing past scientific studies. Why? Because I am a layman in that area of knowledge.

But I can guarantee you that my boss, also an atheist, who has his Doctorate in Astronomy, could prove it if he had access to the proper instruments.

Just because a lay person with no knowledge of a topic can't prove something is hardly proof that such knowledge does not exist.

The difference between a scientist consulting a scientific text and a theist consulting a bible is that the scientific text has been tested, and will continue to be tested. As a scientific text it has to stand up to this testing or be considered invalid.

The problem with the various bibles is that it is untestable. That's why it is accepted as a matter of faith.

Sailor Steve · 08-19-11, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

The following contains creationist logic, read at own risk

I did, and now I hate you. The reason? I spent a lot of time reading that entire thread. Some interesting stuff there.

Skybird · 08-19-11, 04:33 PM

Evolution indeed is just a theory. Anything science concludes and posts in models, is a theory. Even socalled scientific evidence - is just theories, models, though with a very heavy empirical fundament. But theories emerge by trial-error, test and retest. That's what differs them from speculation and hypothesis. Speculation is just making any random claim, picked from out of the blue. It is not tested, and holds no information whatever on its validity and truth. At best it is just a thought expertiment, which can be useful, but must not be useful every time. Hypothesis is kind of a speculation that bases on former observation or earlier theories, you try to extent a theory by a bit of imgaination - you form a hypothesis expanding the secured ground of theory. If such hypothesis can be hardened in test trials, experiments, by empircal evidence, then it becomes a theory, or a supplementation to an existing theory, or it alters existing theories.

So Perry is right when saying evolution is a theory. It indeed is just a model that helps us to sort our observations so far into the best possible order that allows us to bring more observations and finding sinto a structural order where we have far fewer contradicting data and more mutual validation of single facts and finding, than we could acchiueve with any other model.

Creationism is no theory, and certainly it is no fact. It is basing on magical fairy tale belief, on hear-say, on superstitious rumours. Not only does it not qualify for the status of a theory (not more than Star Wars does, for example), it is not even a hypothesis. To label creationism's babbled claims a "fact", is rich and a declaration of bancruptcy of every reasonmable, inteligent, thinking mind. The flying Spagetthi Monster, or the world created six thousand years ago and by a separate entitity called creator - both are statements of the same nature. No hypthesis. No theory. No model (in scientific understanding).

Just dogma.

To see this Texan getting so much support, is frightening, and no compliment for the average intellectual climate. Quite some belief-monsters seem to enter the race this time. And that this is possible, is frightening indeed.

08-19-11, 04:38 PM

Well, Perry gets alot of support because,

A. He Sucks
or
B. He sins

That's all I get out of this.

Diopos · 08-19-11, 04:46 PM

Yeap evolution is a scientific theory, thank God !

Religion can be an excellent pain-killer. As all medicine, when used you must be aware of the possible side effects!

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AJ94CAP · 08-19-11, 04:56 PM

Isn't this the same one who said he didn't believe in global warming either? Maybe God will elect him president, 'cause I sure as hell won't.

But on a serious note, I don't understand the misconception that Catholics can not believe in evolution. The fact is that most of them do.

RickC Sniper · 08-19-11, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Diopos

Yep evolution is a scientific theory, thank God !

08-19-11, 04:33 PM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Evolution indeed is just a theory. Anything science concludes and posts in models, is a theory. Even socalled scientific evidence - is just theories, models, though with a very heavy empirical fundament. But theories emerge by trial-error, test and retest. That's what differs them from speculation and hypothesis. Speculation is just making any random claim, picked from out of the blue. It is not tested, and holds no information whatever on its validity and truth. At best it is just a thought expertiment, which can be useful, but must not be useful every time. Hypothesis is kind of a speculation that bases on former observation or earlier theories, you try to extent a theory by a bit of imgaination - you form a hypothesis expanding the secured ground of theory. If such hypothesis can be hardened in test trials, experiments, by empircal evidence, then it becomes a theory, or a supplementation to an existing theory, or it alters existing theories. So Perry is right when saying evolution is a theory. It indeed is just a model that helps us to sort our observations so far into the best possible order that allows us to bring more observations and finding sinto a structural order where we have far fewer contradicting data and more mutual validation of single facts and finding, than we could acchiueve with any other model. Creationism is no theory, and certainly it is no fact. It is basing on magical fairy tale belief, on hear-say, on superstitious rumours. Not only does it not qualify for the status of a theory (not more than Star Wars does, for example), it is not even a hypothesis. To label creationism's babbled claims a "fact", is rich and a declaration of bancruptcy of every reasonmable, inteligent, thinking mind. The flying Spagetthi Monster, or the world created six thousand years ago and by a separate entitity called creator - both are statements of the same nature. No hypthesis. No theory. No model (in scientific understanding). Just dogma. To see this Texan getting so much support, is frightening, and no compliment for the average intellectual climate. Quite some belief-monsters seem to enter the race this time. And that this is possible, is frightening indeed. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Yeap evolution is a scientific theory, thank God ! Religion can be an excellent pain-killer. As all medicine, when used you must be aware of the possible side effects! . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

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AJ94CAP Bosun Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Washington DC Posts: 65 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 0	Isn't this the same one who said he didn't believe in global warming either? Maybe God will elect him president, 'cause I sure as hell won't. But on a serious note, I don't understand the misconception that Catholics can not believe in evolution. The fact is that most of them do. __________________ "Where bound?" "Hell by compass."

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antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	But I prefer pork to beef

08-19-11, 04:38 PM	#12
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well, Perry gets alot of support because, A. He Sucks or B. He sins That's all I get out of this.