What's up with London? (riots, merged)

[Oberon]

Well, obviously it's number 3, because as we all know, the people of Britain respect their politicians and their promises. Mr Cameron said to the people to stop rioting and lo! So it was.

Next week Mr Cameron promises to obsolete the Channel Tunnel by parting the English Channel...

[Skybird]

The following German comment is by Daniel Johnson, a Briton about whom I only learned that he was commentator for the Times until two years ago, now runs his own monthly magazine, and occasionally writes for German newspapers, like here:

http://www.welt.de/kultur/article135...e-ablegen.html

German language.

We need to take off the rosy coloured, liberal glasses. Europe practices understanding for the raging mob on the streets of London. But how about mere contempt for this orgy of violence, for a change?
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But who are these juvenile Mephistos, these spirits that always deny? They are the fatherless orphants of the revolt against the core families, that started in the 60s of the past century. They did not becom e orphants by war, famine or epidemics, but by the deconstruction of the institutions that support British society and especially those at the lower end of it: marriage, rule of law-and-order, education, and religion.
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For shoplifting, the penalties today equal those for wrong parking and violation of non-smoking rules.
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Migrants who arrived earlier in Britain, feel threatened by those arriving after them, and with the growth of Islam's influence, religion replaces race and ethnicity as an origin of tension.
Some compare to the tensions they had in France some years ago. But no British politician used the term that Sarkozy used, who called the rioters "pack" (=lowlife). But this is exactly what many citizens want to hear from the decision-makers.
Evberybody who speculates about the causes for the total breakdown of public order, should not ignore the most important one: there was no real policing work being done in London. Whole districts of the city, Tottenham for example, in fact are No-Go areas.

Johnson reminds of that some rioters who were brought to their first hearing before the judges so far, were by far no social low-class teenagers, but belonged to the middle class, and had ordinary jobs and lived quite burgeousie lives. There are examples mentioned that include social wellfare workers by Christian aid projects, and school teachers. Most however seem to be father- and orientationless young adults and juveniles for whom the gang leader has taken over the function of role modelling that fathers no longer are allowed and/or cannot fill anymore. The disdain and lack of loyalty to society's institutions and rules, seem to be infinite.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, obviously it's number 3, because as we all know, the people of Britain respect their politicians and their promises. Mr Cameron said to the people to stop rioting and lo! So it was.

Next week Mr Cameron promises to obsolete the Channel Tunnel by parting the English Channel...

Why do I get the feeling that was a cynical comment.

The following German comment is by Daniel Johnson

Interesting...

Whole districts of the city, Tottenham for example, in fact are No-Go areas.

.....it doesn't take much reading to see he is talking total bolloxs

[STEED]

A caller on LBC Radio came out with a interesting remark...

"It's better to be at the top as a criminal and not at the bottom in sociality".

I wonder.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

A caller on LBC Radio came out with a interesting remark...

"It's better to be at the top as a criminal and not at the bottom in sociality".

I wonder.

I don'T. In Germany, many would say: "it'S more beneficial to be on wellfare than to work in a low wages job and get less money."

I think that the cuts announced in the social sector not only hurt some who get really little aid indeed, but also makes angry some who have made themselves comfortable inside the wellfare system and do not plan for own acchievements anymore. Planned cuts threatens their chosen exile from solidarity with the social community that they abuse, and so they turn noisy.

However, this should be checked for in every individual case. Else you also cut many honest and innocent people whose only fault was to have had no or bad luck while you try to clean the system of the parasites that intentionally abuse it. But said honest victims of circumstances should single out and hand over the parasites amongst them, because the latter give the first a bad name.

But anyway, the roots for the decline in cultural integrity that we see, go deeper than just money. Which again cannot be an excuse - just an explanation.

And again: by far not just the poor disadvantaged social low class groups went to the streets, but also quite some members of the middle class and the educated as well. Which reminds of football holiganism, where in case of British hooligans it is known that here also brokers, academics, doctors join the weekend fun and give and taske blows alongside or agaimnst socially lower located holligan gangs that revive some form or archaic tribal culture that is about defending own ground against every foreigner wearing the wrong colours. Football is just the welcomed starting shot, the real fun these people crave for is the beating-up afterwards.

I wonder to what degree this hooligansim and its middle class customers may be compared to the riots there have been right now.

Let'S face it, some people simply enjoy to smash things into pieces and beat up people and have a real good fight, an the comfortably living middle class broker may also enjoy to have his little secret weekend adventure when stealing something that is not his own and afterwards celebrating his hidden act of rebellion and social protest in the pub, feeling cosy when imagining that he is "one of them". That's so cool, you know. Some people just enjoy this. And that is where you do not need to try to explain anything anymore. Instead you need to hit them so hard that they freeze and fall down. Then you can pick them up and bring them to court.

[BossMark]

I guess tosser Cameron dont trust our police any more

http://news.sky.com/home/article/16049302

What a jerk this bloke is along with his goons

[STEED]

Originally Posted by BossMark

I guess tosser Cameron dont trust our police any more

http://news.sky.com/home/article/16049302

What a jerk this bloke is along with his goons

The best of a rotten bunch who got the job. That tells me British politics is about as useful as putting your shopping in a Brown wet paper bag.

Time to get the yard broom out and sweep this rubbish away.

[Garion]

I thought they stopped because it began to piss down with rain and that would ruin the electical goods they were looting

Cheers

Garion

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by STEED

Why do I get the feeling that was a cynical comment.

Cynical, Moi?

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Garion

I thought they stopped because it began to piss down with rain and that would ruin the electical goods they were looting

Yep those poor rioters were scared of a drop rain

Its lucky "call me Dave" didn't ship over the water cannon.
It kicked off in Derry during the apprentices.
3 vehicles were burnt, an attempted arson on one building plus a few petrol bombs and a pipe bomb thrown at police....a very quiet weekend really and they didn't have to use baton rounds or the water cannon at all.
You can see why Orde thinks Cameron is such a pillock

[Betonov]

So let me ge tthis straight. The goverment gave the green light to use force on the rioters, but the police refused to use it and just went to contain the riots until they lost momentum and stopped. You know your country is going down the drain when the police is smarter than the goverment.
If the police would use excesive force, wouldn't that inflame the rioters even more ??

On the other note, how's London doing. I'll proabibly return next year for a weekend.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

You know your country is going down the drain when the police is smarter than the goverment.

From our experiences in Berlin every May 1st, I would put that exactly the other way around.

So let me ge tthis straight. The goverment gave the green light to use force on the rioters, but the police refused to use it and just went to contain the riots until they lost momentum and stopped.

No, the governement says they gave the green light to use extra levels of force, the police said we can do that anyway but the situation doesn't merit it.

On the other note, how's London doing.

My kids are enjoying it, though I havn't heard from them yet today so maybe they have been looted or arsoned over night