Why Rick Perry is headed to the White House

[Anthony W.]

Originally Posted by August

Rick Perry? Isn't he some kind of rock and roll personality?

I personally like him - tho that is a tentative statement. Him, Bachman, and Pawlenty (sp?) are my top 3 so far.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

I gave up on all forms of media in relation to news. It's all pointing fingers, with "this will happen", stated so absolutely. Remember when unemployment wouldn't go higher than 8%? Remember when none of the agencies would downgrade our debt? How about when the mortgage bubble would never collapse - or when we would never enter the war in Europe during WWII? How about when major security breaches would never occur in the pentagon?

Well... I'm from Finland which when I last time checked wasn't part of the United States of America (thank God!) and therefore I wasn't aware of these. I'm also little bit too young to remember anything about pre-WWII time... I didn't exist yet.

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

I personally like him - tho that is a tentative statement. Him, Bachman, and Pawlenty (sp?) are my top 3 so far.

I dislike republicans guess why? Two reasons: 1. George W. Bush - one Republican warmonger, no thanks to another 2. in my opinion excessive presence of religion (this applies in some extent to dems too). In last election I would have voted (in unlucky case of being American) McCain if Palin wouldn't have been Vice President candidate.

P.S. I don't have anything against citizens of United States of America, but since 2003 I have not trusted in any extent to U.S. federal government.

[Anthony W.]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Well... I'm from Finland which when I last time checked wasn't part of the United States of America (thank God!) and therefore I wasn't aware of these. I'm also little bit too young to remember anything about pre-WWII time... I didn't exist yet.

I dislike republicans guess why? Two reasons: 1. George W. Bush - one Republican warmonger, no thanks to another 2. in my opinion excessive presence of religion (this applies in some extent to dems too). In last election I would have voted (in unlucky case of being American) McCain if Palin wouldn't have been Vice President candidate.

P.S. I don't have anything against citizens of United States of America, but since 2003 I have not trusted in any extent to U.S. federal government.

Well then how about this, I dislike democrats because of lack of morality and Lyndon Johnson, FDR, all the Kennedy's, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, the (mainly) democrats that tried to stop the civil rights movement, Woodrow Wilson, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Jimmy Carter, Tim Geithner, pretty much everyone appointed by the current admin., the EPA, the ACLU, and trust me I can list hundreds of people and groups I have something against (also can think of a lot that I don't have much of anything against).

Can't make the face of a group someone who isn't influential anymore.

And Bush did a number of good things, especially during his 1st term.

Oh, war mongers, FDR and LBJ

[vienna]

The following letter to the editor appeared in this morning's [Aug. 11, 2011] Los Angeles Times:

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

A warning from Texas; FDR and Obama; L.A.'s new football stadium

August 11, 2011
Texas, taxes and jobs

I am a visitor to California and a lifelong Texan. Imagine my surprise to encounter an anti-tax signature collector in San Diego arguing that California will lose jobs to Texas if taxes increase.

We Texans have already got all the minimum-wage, no-benefit jobs we can handle, along with lousy roads, a 19th century school system, a high poverty rate, hunger, lack of medical care and the highest rate of uninsured people in the nation. Our education system is declining, and much of the new jobs pay minimum wage. Texas is becoming third-world.

California has so much of what Texas lacks. Be happy to pay your taxes because you are getting so much for them. Tighten your belt and preserve the California you have while you can. Don't destroy California; you will regret it later.

Kathleen Bombach

El Paso


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Sounds like your're "doin' a heck of a job", Rickie...

A C and D student, who hates to govern, loves to campaign, and barely has a sixth grader's understanding of economics

Another under-achieving, lack-a-daisical, indifferent, self-absorbed Texas governor for President? Hmm...the last one took a thriving economy, a balanced budget, and a surplus and left the country in near bankruptcy...imagine what "best and brightest" Perry could due with our economy in it's present state...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Texas has a $27 billion budget deficit. They're closing elementary schools, colleges and police departments.

See what I mean about people outside of Texas having no clue about Perry or the state's financial problems?

True, but that deficit is offset by $10 billion "rainy day" account, and that's not bad considering we've had the worst recession in 40 years.

As for closing schools, brother, you know they are building them like crazy. Come on with me, I'll give you a tour of the brand new schools in Pearland, Lake Jackson, Sugarland, etc. They may be closing schools in some places but I doubt it has anything to do with the budget.

As for closing police depts, that's a plus. Most communities have bloated law enforcement depts.

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

In last election I would have voted (in unlucky case of being American) McCain if Palin wouldn't have been Vice President candidate.

Rude much?

Originally Posted by vienna

The following letter to the editor appeared in this morning's [Aug. 11, 2011] Los Angeles Times:

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latimes.com

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

A warning from Texas; FDR and Obama; L.A.'s new football stadium

August 11, 2011
Texas, taxes and jobs

I am a visitor to California and a lifelong Texan. Imagine my surprise to encounter an anti-tax signature collector in San Diego arguing that California will lose jobs to Texas if taxes increase.

We Texans have already got all the minimum-wage, no-benefit jobs we can handle, along with lousy roads, a 19th century school system, a high poverty rate, hunger, lack of medical care and the highest rate of uninsured people in the nation. Our education system is declining, and much of the new jobs pay minimum wage. Texas is becoming third-world.

California has so much of what Texas lacks. Be happy to pay your taxes because you are getting so much for them. Tighten your belt and preserve the California you have while you can. Don't destroy California; you will regret it later.

Kathleen Bombach

El Paso

Lady, you're a freaking idiot, please move to California!


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[AVGWarhawk]

She is an idiot, Neal. My sister lives in Austin. Says TX has never been better! My nieces say the say!

[August]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Well then how about this

The thing you have to realize Anthony is that foreigners like kraznyi_oktjabr don't have a clear view American society or our politics. They get small glimpses into our world without realizing that what they are seeing is mostly partisan propaganda aimed at influencing the most gullible of our domestic audiences.

When you filter that through the distortions of distance, culture and language it's no wonder they so often have such unrealistic views of us.

Of course this is a two way street. Our view of them is no more clear than their view is of us. It's why I try to refrain from making generalized comments about them (although I don't always succeed!)

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

It's why I try to refrain from making generalized comments about them (although I don't always succeed!)

Yeah, that's pretty typical of you New Englanders.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by Growler
In last election I would have voted (in unlucky case of being American) McCain if Palin wouldn't have been Vice President candidate.

Rude much?

What the Heck? I didn't say this.

[Onkel Neal]

Oh, sorry Growler, that should be kraznyi_oktjabr

The perils of trying to make a post with multiple quotes

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Well then how about this, I dislike democrats because of lack of morality and Lyndon Johnson, FDR, all the Kennedy's, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, the (mainly) democrats that tried to stop the civil rights movement, Woodrow Wilson, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Jimmy Carter, Tim Geithner, pretty much everyone appointed by the current admin., the EPA, the ACLU, and trust me I can list hundreds of people and groups I have something against (also can think of a lot that I don't have much of anything against).

Can't make the face of a group someone who isn't influential anymore.

And Bush did a number of good things, especially during his 1st term.

Oh, war mongers, FDR and LBJ

You listed quite long list of inviduals. Could you expain that a little bit? That would help to understand your viewpoint. What comes to warmongering I can understand LBJ as but at my understanding FDR sent troops only against those nations who first declared war to United States. Could you explain what am I missing?

Originally Posted by August

The thing you have to realize Anthony is that foreigners like kraznyi_oktjabr don't have a clear view American society or our politics. They get small glimpses into our world without realizing that what they are seeing is mostly partisan propaganda aimed at influencing the most gullible of our domestic audiences.

When you filter that through the distortions of distance, culture and language it's no wonder they so often have such unrealistic views of us.

Of course this is a two way street. Our view of them is no more clear than their view is of us. It's why I try to refrain from making generalized comments about them (although I don't always succeed!)

That post is unfortunately correct. My view about American society is based mostly on information obtained from such sources as BBC, New York Times, Washington Post, International Herald Tribune, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC and ofcourse local Finnish media like Yle, MTV3 and Helsingin Sanomat. I disagree with August in that our media is publishing "mostly partisan propaganda aimed at influencing the most gullible of our [U.S.] domestic audiences" but ofcourse I can't always verify how extensively every article's takes into account different viewpoints to issue.

Would I have financial resources I would gladly visit in your country and spend time in as many state as possible to get some more information. Currently one of the best ways to get look into issues on U.S. internal politics and your country's views in international politics is to visit in this forum. That's why I most appreciate those post who instead of just declaring persons own opinion also explain why they think so? That its why I often find understanding Anthony's (no you are not only one, just first name which comes to my mind) point of view very difficult. I also really appreciate if people provide links where there is more information on subject which we here happen to be discussing.

Thank you if you read this from beginning to the end!

[Anthony W.]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

You listed quite long list of inviduals. Could you expain that a little bit? That would help to understand your viewpoint. What comes to warmongering I can understand LBJ as but at my understanding FDR sent troops only against those nations who first declared war to United States. Could you explain what am I missing?

Well, to begin with, my grandfather worked with The Kennedy's. He said that they were involved in a lot of backroom dealings (politically and financially), and actually tried to get him in on some of it. He overall said that they bought their political situations.

FDR wanted to go to war, but as part his election platform during the (at the time unpopular) European conflict, he vowed not to. The Lend Lease Act was actually a way to indirectly get into the war.

Some democrats have a habit of going beyond keeping religion out of politics, and as far as attacking people who do believe in God, and THAT is purely unacceptable.

John Edwards cheated on his wife that was (and now has died) dying of cancer during his presidential campaign, and used campaign funds to provide for and shut his mistress up. He even has a son with her.

Bill Clinton - lied under oath

During the 60's (and earlier), it was almost exclusively Democrats passing segregation laws, and stopping civil rights legislation. It was even (mainly) them that were against the Emancipation Proclamation.

Woodrow Wilson was attempting to pass communistic laws - he even (tho not very well known) had written a second constitution that handed over almost all freedoms to the Feds - I could be wrong - it may have been FDR, but it was one of them.

The EPA is filled with cover ups and are constantly restricting what we can and can't do with regards to "emissions" (quotations because I don't agree with it)

The ACLU actually sues people for following immigration laws (only in California and a few other states can they get away with it...) and raised controversy over a WWI veteran's memorial cross in the middle of the Arizona desert, which resulted in the vandalism and eventual theft of the cross.

The progressive Democrats have a habit of trying to regulate what is generally accepted as perfectly moral behavior, and deregulating behavior that is controversial.

[AVGWarhawk]

John Edwards cheated on his wife that was (and now has died) dying of cancer during his presidential campaign, and used campaign funds to provide for and shut his mistress up. He even has a son with her.

It was a girl.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

John Edwards cheated on his wife that was (and now has died) dying of cancer during his presidential campaign, and used campaign funds to provide for and shut his mistress up. He even has a son with her.

What about when John Ensign did the same?

During the 60's (and earlier), it was almost exclusively Democrats passing segregation laws, and stopping civil rights legislation. It was even (mainly) them that were against the Emancipation Proclamation.

If you could be bothered to do a bit of your own research instead of swallowing whatever bullpucky Glenn Beck or whoever feeds you, you'd see that it was almost exclusively lawmakers in the South that were against those things. The percentage of Republicans in the South who opposed the Civil Rights Act was almost identical to the percentage of Democrats in the South who opposed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_R...rty_and_region

But why let facts get in the way?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Well, to begin with, my grandfather worked with The Kennedy's. He said that they were involved in a lot of backroom dealings (politically and financially), and actually tried to get him in on some of it. He overall said that they bought their political situations.

FDR wanted to go to war, but as part his election platform during the (at the time unpopular) European conflict, he vowed not to. The Lend Lease Act was actually a way to indirectly get into the war.

Some democrats have a habit of going beyond keeping religion out of politics, and as far as attacking people who do believe in God, and THAT is purely unacceptable.

John Edwards cheated on his wife that was (and now has died) dying of cancer during his presidential campaign, and used campaign funds to provide for and shut his mistress up. He even has a son with her.

Bill Clinton - lied under oath

During the 60's (and earlier), it was almost exclusively Democrats passing segregation laws, and stopping civil rights legislation. It was even (mainly) them that were against the Emancipation Proclamation.

Woodrow Wilson was attempting to pass communistic laws - he even (tho not very well known) had written a second constitution that handed over almost all freedoms to the Feds - I could be wrong - it may have been FDR, but it was one of them.

The EPA is filled with cover ups and are constantly restricting what we can and can't do with regards to "emissions" (quotations because I don't agree with it)

The ACLU actually sues people for following immigration laws (only in California and a few other states can they get away with it...) and raised controversy over a WWI veteran's memorial cross in the middle of the Arizona desert, which resulted in the vandalism and eventual theft of the cross.

The progressive Democrats have a habit of trying to regulate what is generally accepted as perfectly moral behavior, and deregulating behavior that is controversial.

No one is doing the right thing. dont put it all on democrats.whoever holds office seems to make the worst decisions.

its like their brain instantly degrades into a pile of crap and greed.

But it gets worse. The sheer amount of ignorant, unbelievably stupid, greedy, isolated, and selfish people living in this country makes the idea of allowing all the unwashed masses to vote on the biggest bills not an option.


These politicians, regardless of of their general and moral incompetence, have basically been educated in the art of manipulating the unwashed masses. Therefore, allowing people to vote on big bills wont matter anyway. Because the politicians will spew their bull**** and the unwashed masses will just soak it up like a sponge.


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