Anyone remember Projekt Messerwetzer? - Page 2

Onkel Neal · 08-06-11, 11:05 PM

Rick, you got it pretty much right on.

The real dealbreaker came with the publicity. I was working every angle I could to get press for this project. I worked to promote the project and Duane was prominently mentioned in all press releases.
This is the press release that was sent to all journalists: http://9teuflottille.de/files/download/files/sh2-mod/pm103install_de.txt

Three magazine articles, at least four newspaper articles, 27 websites, Tech TV, and one German TV program chronicled the effort and most mentioned Doutel by name. One magazine, however, did not print his name, just details about the project and where it could be found.

It was Bill Trotter's PC Gamer article that disturbed Duane beyond belief.

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/pcgamer_pmarticle.html

Doutel began trying to coax Trotter into writing a follow up, that eventually turned into a stalking and aggresive harassment by e-mail. I learned there was a problem when Trotter called me on the phone to tell me to get Duane to back off. How bad was the harrassment? It was bad, unprofessional, and kind of scary.

So bad, that Trotter eventually did write a follow up:

Trotter got some of his details wrong too. As you saw, the press releases I sent him did mention Duane. And I did not actually say "Don't go out of your way to accomodate". I said, "If you cannot publish a follow-up or correction, it is ok, because Duane was credited in two other articles", and I said this after the article was published and Duane was barraging Trotter with demands to write another article. I was very happy that Trotter and PC Gamer mentioned the project at all, I wasn't about to rake them over the coals for not mentioning the programmer individually. I thought it was a bit too much of Duane to expect PC Gamer to write another article. You cannot tell game magazines what to do. Once it's printed there not much anyone can do about it.

Anyway, Duane had his side of the story and he posted it front and center on his personal website: Neal robbed him of his credit. Yeah, like I would do that.

Thankfully, it's all over. And I do not have anything against Duane, even though we do not communicate. I wish him the best.

Takeda Shingen · 08-07-11, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Thankfully, it's all over. And I do not have anything against Duane, even though we do not communicate. I wish him the best.

You've always been a better man than I. Personally, I hope he stubbs his toe. A lot.

McBeck · 08-07-11, 08:45 AM

Hmmmm....even I was credited. I think you did all you could to give credit!

RickC Sniper · 08-07-11, 01:33 PM

Thanks Steve, I edited it.

And yes, when the interop worked, it was a lot of fun.

Jimbuna · 08-07-11, 02:15 PM

@Neal and Tak

Knew nothing of this which is probably just as well...and here's me thinking I've got problems

08-06-11, 11:05 PM	#16
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Rick, you got it pretty much right on. The real dealbreaker came with the publicity. I was working every angle I could to get press for this project. I worked to promote the project and Duane was prominently mentioned in all press releases. This is the press release that was sent to all journalists: http://9teuflottille.de/files/download/files/sh2-mod/pm103install_de.txt Three magazine articles, at least four newspaper articles, 27 websites, Tech TV, and one German TV program chronicled the effort and most mentioned Doutel by name. One magazine, however, did not print his name, just details about the project and where it could be found. It was Bill Trotter's PC Gamer article that disturbed Duane beyond belief. http://www.subsim.com/ssr/pcgamer_pmarticle.html Doutel began trying to coax Trotter into writing a follow up, that eventually turned into a stalking and aggresive harassment by e-mail. I learned there was a problem when Trotter called me on the phone to tell me to get Duane to back off. How bad was the harrassment? It was bad, unprofessional, and kind of scary. So bad, that Trotter eventually did write a follow up: Trotter got some of his details wrong too. As you saw, the press releases I sent him did mention Duane. And I did not actually say "Don't go out of your way to accomodate". I said, "If you cannot publish a follow-up or correction, it is ok, because Duane was credited in two other articles", and I said this *after* the article was published and Duane was barraging Trotter with demands to write another article. I was very happy that Trotter and PC Gamer mentioned the project at all, I wasn't about to rake them over the coals for not mentioning the programmer individually. I thought it was a bit too much of Duane to expect PC Gamer to write another article. You cannot tell game magazines what to do. Once it's printed there not much anyone can do about it. Anyway, Duane had his side of the story and he posted it front and center on his personal website: Neal robbed him of his credit. Yeah, like I would do that. Thankfully, it's all over. And I do not have anything against Duane, even though we do not communicate. I wish him the best. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web Last edited by Onkel Neal; 08-07-11 at 08:23 AM. Reason: fixed those pesky *8220;s again

08-07-11, 08:45 AM	#18
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Hmmmm....even I was credited. I think you did all you could to give credit! __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

08-07-11, 01:33 PM	#19
RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Thanks Steve, I edited it. And yes, when the interop worked, it was a lot of fun. __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

08-07-11, 02:15 PM	#20
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	@Neal and Tak Knew nothing of this which is probably just as well...and here's me thinking I've got problems __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!