I hate Elco\Motor Torpedo boats

Sailor Steve · 07-31-11, 05:55 PM

And the funniest part is that the Royal Navy didn't have on single PT boat manufactured by ELCO, and the ones they did have (Vosper) didn't look anything like the ELCOs.

But even then they're not something you should mess with. Small, fast, hard to hit and pretty deadly in return. Also, u-boats and MTBs didn't usually operate in the same waters. You shouldn't see any unless in coastal waters or the Channel.

Jimbuna · 07-31-11, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And the funniest part is that the Royal Navy didn't have on single PT boat manufactured by ELCO, and the ones they did have (Vosper) didn't look anything like the ELCOs.

But even then they're not something you should mess with. Small, fast, hard to hit and pretty deadly in return. Also, u-boats and MTBs didn't usually operate in the same waters. You shouldn't see any unless in coastal waters or the Channel.

Conversely the same can't be said of German E-boats and British submarines.....my late father used to often remind me of the times he saw them trading punches off the Dogger Bank as the Brtitish Submarines were returning to their eastern shoreline bases.

maillemaker · 08-01-11, 03:24 PM

I have sunk them, but they will render your boat useless for further action. They are not worth engaging.

Missing Name · 08-01-11, 06:35 PM

Attacking these is suicidal in my books. On the other hand, torpedoing them is a sight to see...

Perhaps we should add depth charge racks in place of the after tubes...?

Admiral Von Gerlach · 08-01-11, 06:56 PM

The MTB Flotillas of the Inshore Squadrons indeed were tough nuts to crack, they and the E boats dueled nightly and a lot of lead and blood was shed....also tru the British MTBs were toally different and a million times superior ot the flimsy Elco Throw away boats.... the Vospers were tough and well designed but not any way the equal of the superb E Boats...those Schnellboats were amazing and tne envy of other navies. I still hope to have a go with them in one of the SH series, i think there is a S boat mod about but i havent had time to try it yet.

Sailor Steve · 08-01-11, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

...also tru the British MTBs were toally different and a million times superior ot the flimsy Elco Throw away boats...

Interesting comment considering they were both made of the same plywood-on-mahogany construction. Do you have any facts to back up that insult?

Admiral Von Gerlach · 08-01-11, 11:20 PM

I didnt mean it as an insult. I actually have seen several of the original MTBs in the UK, i was considering buying one back in the 1970s and had a chance to see them in and out and talk to former crew and officers who served on them, hence my thoughts about them and their quality. The american PTs were not very strong and suffered a lot in a heavy sea, whereas the british MTBs were build with a stronger set of strakes and interior support that stood them in good stead in the close combat that developed in the inshore areas.. but as you say their construction was similar..just my impression from talking to men who served in both, i would have rather been aboard a RN MTB. But i meant no insult for men served in both with honour and loyalty.

yubba · 08-02-11, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Von Gerlach

The MTB Flotillas of the Inshore Squadrons indeed were tough nuts to crack, they and the E boats dueled nightly and a lot of lead and blood was shed....also tru the British MTBs were toally different and a million times superior ot the flimsy Elco Throw away boats.... the Vospers were tough and well designed but not any way the equal of the superb E Boats...those Schnellboats were amazing and tne envy of other navies. I still hope to have a go with them in one of the SH series, i think there is a S boat mod about but i havent had time to try it yet.

The S-38 mod is in the download section, I like but would like to get the quad 20 on it

Walruss · 08-04-11, 08:22 AM

I ran across a British MTB somewhere just outside... Gibraltar I think. Middle of the night, slipping quietly through the straits and this thing pops out of the darkness ( I don't trust the AI to stand watch through the straights... I do it in the dark, and I stay on watch myself). I figured 'what the hey, I'm nearly through). Popped over to the deck gun. First shell must have hit something nasty because something popped and the whole boat caught fire. They started pissing back but it was decent range at night (about 800 meters or so), and I'd already started diving the boat.

I didn't stick around to see what happened but it must have sunk because I got credit for the kill. I did have a damage mod that causes fire to actually be a problem for vessels though, and it was a little boat :P

07-31-11, 05:55 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And the funniest part is that the Royal Navy didn't have on single PT boat manufactured by ELCO, and the ones they did have (Vosper) didn't look anything like the ELCOs. But even then they're not something you should mess with. Small, fast, hard to hit and pretty deadly in return. Also, u-boats and MTBs didn't usually operate in the same waters. You shouldn't see any unless in coastal waters or the Channel. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-01-11, 06:35 PM	#4
Missing Name Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Westun New Yahk Posts: 748 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Attacking these is suicidal in my books. On the other hand, torpedoing them is a sight to see... Perhaps we should add depth charge racks in place of the after tubes...? __________________ Largest target sunk with deck gun: Japanese auxiliary cruiser, 15000 tons Largest engaged: HMS Nelson. Results inconclusive. Read Brag's stuff

08-01-11, 06:56 PM	#5
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	The MTB Flotillas of the Inshore Squadrons indeed were tough nuts to crack, they and the E boats dueled nightly and a lot of lead and blood was shed....also tru the British MTBs were toally different and a million times superior ot the flimsy Elco Throw away boats.... the Vospers were tough and well designed but not any way the equal of the superb E Boats...those Schnellboats were amazing and tne envy of other navies. I still hope to have a go with them in one of the SH series, i think there is a S boat mod about but i havent had time to try it yet. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

08-01-11, 11:20 PM	#7
Admiral Von Gerlach Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado and California Posts: 726 Downloads: 358 Uploads: 0	I didnt mean it as an insult. I actually have seen several of the original MTBs in the UK, i was considering buying one back in the 1970s and had a chance to see them in and out and talk to former crew and officers who served on them, hence my thoughts about them and their quality. The american PTs were not very strong and suffered a lot in a heavy sea, whereas the british MTBs were build with a stronger set of strakes and interior support that stood them in good stead in the close combat that developed in the inshore areas.. but as you say their construction was similar..just my impression from talking to men who served in both, i would have rather been aboard a RN MTB. But i meant no insult for men served in both with honour and loyalty. __________________ Erlaubnis an Bord zu kommen.

08-04-11, 08:22 AM	#9
Walruss Soundman Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	I ran across a British MTB somewhere just outside... Gibraltar I think. Middle of the night, slipping quietly through the straits and this thing pops out of the darkness ( I don't trust the AI to stand watch through the straights... I do it in the dark, and I stay on watch myself). I figured 'what the hey, I'm nearly through). Popped over to the deck gun. First shell must have hit something nasty because something popped and the whole boat caught fire. They started pissing back but it was decent range at night (about 800 meters or so), and I'd already started diving the boat. I didn't stick around to see what happened but it must have sunk because I got credit for the kill. I did have a damage mod that causes fire to actually be a problem for vessels though, and it was a little boat :P __________________ Lt. Z. S . Werner Krautsch Assigned: U-66 (IXc), 2nd Flot. 1. JAN 1941 Date: JAN 41 Patrols Completed: 0 Warships:0 Subs:0 Merchants: 0 Status: AT SEA

08-01-11, 03:24 PM	#3
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	I have sunk them, but they will render your boat useless for further action. They are not worth engaging.