bomb in oslo

Jimbuna · 07-24-11, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

Hasn't done anything wrong?

this bloke is really a sad bastard, so in say 21 years time this tosser will be released from jail and repeat all this again

My sentiments entirely.

Feuer Frei! · 07-24-11, 06:16 AM

Update 24 July, 10:48:

"He wanted a change in society and, from his perspective, he needed to force through a revolution," Mr Lippestad said. "He wished to attack society and the structure of society."

His lawyer, Mr Lippestad, said: "He's stated that he went to Utoeya to give the Labour Party a warning that 'doomsday would be imminent' unless the party changed its policies."
Mr Lippestad says the suspect remained calmed and balanced throughout a 10-hour night of interrogation.
"I think he's realised what he's done, and he views himself as sane," he said.

SOURCE

VirtualVikingX · 07-24-11, 06:25 AM

21 years is the max punishment. Dangerous persons may however be keep after their sentence is finished. Technically that is Not punishment but protection of society.

Spoon 11th · 07-24-11, 06:42 AM

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Oberon · 07-24-11, 06:43 AM

I think what Vendor is trying to say is that in the justice system he can only receive 21 years, but I think that in prison he may last a lot less...and in fact may make use of his shoelaces...or someone else will make use of them for him. If he is still alive after 21 years then he'll probably be put somewhere secure for his own protection rather than for others.

You don't become the biggest mass murderer in Norwegian history and just walk away...of that I am sure.

Oberon · 07-24-11, 06:47 AM

I think we're going to see a lot more of what Spoon has posted springing up, I can't say I'm surprised that this has happened, surprised where it happened, and saddened by it...but not entirely surprised. We have been in an ideological war since 9/11. Nutters on both sides have been at it and unfortunately it is the ordinary folk that get caught in the crossfire.

07-24-11, 07:02 AM

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I think we're going to see a lot more of what Spoon has posted springing up

Nothing new, look at that murdering prick Copeland and his loony rants, exactly the same crap as this idiot wrote, he too saw nothing wrong with what he was doing.

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We have been in an ideological war since 9/11

It goes back way before then.

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Nutters on both sides have been at it and unfortunately it is the ordinary folk that get caught in the crossfire.

No, the nutters are on the same side even though they "think" they are opposites. there is no real difference between jihadi nuts and christian identity scum..they are all just sick murdering bastards with twisted minds.

Oberon · 07-24-11, 07:16 AM

For once, we agree. They are both driven by their twisted version of 'justice', be they Muslim, Christian, Left or Right wing...it's got nothing to do with what religion or political leanings they have.

Sometimes I wonder how the internet has affected things in terms of the spread of radical views and the influence on those who are prepared to take things one step further.

Torplexed · 07-24-11, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Sometimes I wonder how the internet has affected things in terms of the spread of radical views and the influence on those who are prepared to take things one step further.

Probably the same thing it's done for any group with fringe beliefs on the internet. They discover there are like-minded fanatics out there. They develop a warped sense of community feeding off each others worst fears and beliefs and go to great pains to shut any dissenting views out.

krashkart · 07-24-11, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I think what Vendor is trying to say is that in the justice system he can only receive 21 years, but I think that in prison he may last a lot less...and in fact may make use of his shoelaces...or someone else will make use of them for him. If he is still alive after 21 years then he'll probably be put somewhere secure for his own protection rather than for others.

You don't become the biggest mass murderer in Norwegian history and just walk away...of that I am sure.

If I understand correctly, childkillers don't last long in general population -- at least here in the States. I guess we could cross our fingers and hope he doesn't get segregated out 'for his own safety'.

07-24-11, 04:19 PM

http://kotaku.com/5824147/oslo-terro...craft-as-cover
Great, here comes the Anti-Gaming crusade.

(Though Modern Warfare 2? Seriously? That game is terrible, how can you even use it as simulation?)

krashkart · 07-24-11, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilder

http://kotaku.com/5824147/oslo-terro...craft-as-cover
Great, here comes the Anti-Gaming crusade.

It is to be expected when things like this happen. DOOM took a lot of heat after Columbine, and there is hardly anything realistic about that game.

When these tragedies happen people always have to stop and ask, "Why do these things happen?". The quest for answers leads in many directions, some more misleading than others. *shrug*

Flaxpants · 07-25-11, 12:34 AM

My deepest condolences for all those who have lost loved ones in Norway.
And here's hoping there's no segregation for this guy...

One question I keep hearing reporters asking officials is "Has this man been motivated to do this by right-wing extremist views or his he simply a Madman?"... Is it just me or is this question ridiculous? - He's clearly insane in the sense that he is a danger to society, and in my opinion his personal views are all but irrelevant.

andritsos · 07-25-11, 04:46 PM

just a thought that came from a person near me and made me think a bit about something: if on that island there was a reunion/event of a political party/youth camp , indipendently of which party, it isnt a little bit concerning also having pupils of 14-17 years of age that are take part at an organised political event?( to what extent can they have a clear political opinion , confrontation with other opinions etc withouth being directed?)

PS. I most probably be wrong as i am sorry to say, but I had learned most of it today as i have been to the mountain with few to no use of TV for some days, so if i proove to be wrong or have no-sense just tell me
I understand offcourse that there are more important things to affront but i didnt wanted to forget this question now that remembered it

Is there preventive detention ( or a name in german) legal applicable in Norway?

07-24-11, 06:16 AM	#2
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Update 24 July, 10:48: "He wanted a change in society and, from his perspective, he needed to force through a revolution," Mr Lippestad said. "He wished to attack society and the structure of society." His lawyer, Mr Lippestad, said: "He's stated that he went to Utoeya to give the Labour Party a warning that 'doomsday would be imminent' unless the party changed its policies." Mr Lippestad says the suspect remained calmed and balanced throughout a 10-hour night of interrogation. "I think he's realised what he's done, and he views himself as sane," he said. SOURCE __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

07-24-11, 06:42 AM	#4
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07-24-11, 06:25 AM	#3
VirtualVikingX Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 262 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	21 years is the max punishment. Dangerous persons may however be keep after their sentence is finished. Technically that is Not punishment but protection of society.

07-24-11, 06:43 AM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I think what Vendor is trying to say is that in the justice system he can only receive 21 years, but I think that in prison he may last a lot less...and in fact may make use of his shoelaces...or someone else will make use of them for him. If he is still alive after 21 years then he'll probably be put somewhere secure for his own protection rather than for others. You don't become the biggest mass murderer in Norwegian history and just walk away...of that I am sure.

07-24-11, 06:47 AM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I think we're going to see a lot more of what Spoon has posted springing up, I can't say I'm surprised that this has happened, surprised where it happened, and saddened by it...but not entirely surprised. We have been in an ideological war since 9/11. Nutters on both sides have been at it and unfortunately it is the ordinary folk that get caught in the crossfire.

07-24-11, 07:16 AM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	For once, we agree. They are both driven by their twisted version of 'justice', be they Muslim, Christian, Left or Right wing...it's got nothing to do with what religion or political leanings they have. Sometimes I wonder how the internet has affected things in terms of the spread of radical views and the influence on those who are prepared to take things one step further.

07-24-11, 04:19 PM	#11
Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	http://kotaku.com/5824147/oslo-terro...craft-as-cover Great, here comes the Anti-Gaming crusade. (Though Modern Warfare 2? Seriously? That game is terrible, how can you even use it as simulation?)

07-25-11, 12:34 AM	#13
Flaxpants Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Koh Samui, Thailand Posts: 1,196 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	My deepest condolences for all those who have lost loved ones in Norway. And here's hoping there's no segregation for this guy... One question I keep hearing reporters asking officials is "Has this man been motivated to do this by right-wing extremist views or his he simply a Madman?"... Is it just me or is this question ridiculous? - He's clearly insane in the sense that he is a danger to society, and in my opinion his personal views are all but irrelevant.

07-25-11, 04:46 PM	#14
andritsos Gunner Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 92 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	just a thought that came from a person near me and made me think a bit about something: if on that island there was a reunion/event of a political party/youth camp , indipendently of which party, it isnt a little bit concerning also having pupils of 14-17 years of age that are take part at an organised political event?( to what extent can they have a clear political opinion , confrontation with other opinions etc withouth being directed?) PS. I most probably be wrong as i am sorry to say, but I had learned most of it today as i have been to the mountain with few to no use of TV for some days, so if i proove to be wrong or have no-sense just tell me I understand offcourse that there are more important things to affront but i didnt wanted to forget this question now that remembered it Is there preventive detention ( or a name in german) legal applicable in Norway?