What's the British take on the Revolutionary war? - Page 5

Lord Justice · 07-19-11, 08:45 AM

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Of course it's good for business to post such things too.

Sir, It is of good, to post your lot where one deems fit to do so. oh liberty liberty

Herr-Berbunch · 07-19-11, 09:02 AM

How did I miss this six months ago?

As a Brit, I can say that I know very little about it, it is not covered in schools here - maybe some university courses will touch on it but not for mainstream education. I've double-checked with my history-teaching wife and it's definately not covered. History, so they say, is written by the victors, and that must definately be the case here. If we don't mention it then it'll get forgotten about.

I probably know more about every other American conflict than I do about the one against my own country!

Hottentot · 07-19-11, 09:03 AM

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I thought it odd at the time but no matter what town we were in, pub or not. All had some sort of sign posted claiming George Washington stopped in for a drink and to strategize.

I've heard that in the town I now live in, it used to be common to see a sign on many houses saying "Lenin visited this building." Then some annoyed citizens started making and using new signs in their own houses, outhouses, carbage boxes and whatever, saying "We have it on good authority that Lenin never visited this building" and the first signs vanished quietly.

nikimcbee · 07-19-11, 09:19 AM

Now the grand question is: Do any of you have family that were over here?

Herr-Berbunch · 07-19-11, 09:21 AM

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No the grand question is: Do any of you have family the were over here?

Did you?

Rockstar · 07-19-11, 10:25 AM

I've stopped in Yorktown, VA several times. Incredible battlefield museum there. The story they tell of the Battle of the Chesapeake really open your eyes to the part France played in the defeat of the British. That naval battle is what I understand turned the tide of the war against the Brits and led to the defeat of Cornwallis.

I've been to the Bahamas too. There is where I found a less spoken of history. Rebels taking lands, persecution, terrorisim, and the killing whole families of British subjects loyal to the king. Some of these who fled the new nation of freedom and democracy in fear for their lives settling in the out islands and Abacos of the Bahamas.

Indians on the other hand I have been told chose the wrong side to fight against. After the Brits left they were not trusted in part because of that. Later in years this countries distrust grew to even those who fought for the new nation of freedom and democracy for all. And eventually rounded up and placed on reservations. Kinda the same thing happened to them as the as happened subjects of the king. Land grabs, persecution and death, and other such noble causes of American expansion in the west.

But as in any war, to the victor go the spoils.

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Sailor Steve · 07-19-11, 01:23 PM

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And may many threads arise, that is worth topic and debate. *sighs*

That is true, and I support it. On the other hand, directly addressing a very old post directly without announcing it can be distracting, to say the least.

Sailor Steve · 07-19-11, 01:27 PM

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Indians on the other hand I have been told chose the wrong side to fight against. After the Brits left they were not trusted in part because of that. Later in years this countries distrust grew to even those who fought for the new nation of freedom and democracy for all. And eventually rounded up and placed on reservations. Kinda the same thing happened to them as the as happened subjects of the king. Land grabs, persecution and death, and other such noble causes of American expansion in the west.

As was pointed out earlier in this very thread, it wouldn't have mattered which side they took in the war. Several US presidents made treaties with the natives, and in good faith. As soon as others wanted the land the Indians' fate was decided.

Armistead · 07-19-11, 02:04 PM

I had ancestors here in NC during the war. It's not out land anymore, but my grandmother actually grew up in the house he lived in during the war, but it became unlivable when she was a teen. The chimneys are still there.
On the land is his crude gravemarker that states "Hung as a traitor" by Cornwallis. It's actually been stolen 3 times over 20 years, but somehow is always found and put back...so far..

We usually go to the reenactment "Battle of Guilford Courthouse". I grew up in that area, pretty good museum if you ever get that way.

nikimcbee · 07-20-11, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Did you?

Yes, One family member was in the 7th Conn. Fought at at Bunker Hill.

nikimcbee · 07-20-11, 01:21 PM

I really need to get a better proof-reader

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Jimbuna · 07-20-11, 03:51 PM

WTF!....we didn't win?

Sailor Steve · 07-20-11, 04:02 PM

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WTF!....we didn't win?

Of course you won! Haven't you seen the secret memo from KG3 to Parliament - "Would you please do something to get rid of the blasted colonists? They are costing us far too much money!" It's not his fault the PM said "I know...let's tax 'em to death!"

Herr-Berbunch · 07-20-11, 06:07 PM

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Of course you won! Haven't you seen the secret memo from KG3 to Parliament - "Would you please do something to get rid of the blasted colonists? They are costing us far too much money!" It's not his fault the PM said "I know...let's tax 'em to death!"

To be fair, on the tax front you'd (I say you, but not you) previously got away very lightly in comparison to the rest of us. Just back-dated, overdue taxes

. And thanks to your refusal to pay that sparked another war, which probably meant our taxes over here rose again! Either way it's not our fault. Honest.

Sailor Steve · 07-20-11, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

To be fair, on the tax front you'd (I say you, but not you) previously got away very lightly in comparison to the rest of us. Just back-dated, overdue taxes

. And thanks to your refusal to pay that sparked another war, which probably meant our taxes over here rose again!

You wanted us to pay for ALL of it! Just because one of our own started it, and most of it was fought here, doesn't mean it's really our fault!

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Either way it's not our fault. Honest.

So who should we blame? The French? Yeah, that's the ticket! After all, they lost, didn't they? Make THEM pay for it!

07-19-11, 09:02 AM	#62
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	How did I miss this six months ago? As a Brit, I can say that I know very little about it, it is not covered in schools here - maybe some university courses will touch on it but not for mainstream education. I've double-checked with my history-teaching wife and it's definately not covered. History, so they say, is written by the victors, and that must definately be the case here. If we don't mention it then it'll get forgotten about. I probably know more about every other American conflict than I do about the one against my own country! __________________

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I've stopped in Yorktown, VA several times. Incredible battlefield museum there. The story they tell of the Battle of the Chesapeake really open your eyes to the part France played in the defeat of the British. That naval battle is what I understand turned the tide of the war against the Brits and led to the defeat of Cornwallis. I've been to the Bahamas too. There is where I found a less spoken of history. Rebels taking lands, persecution, terrorisim, and the killing whole families of British subjects loyal to the king. Some of these who fled the new nation of freedom and democracy in fear for their lives settling in the out islands and Abacos of the Bahamas. Indians on the other hand I have been told chose the wrong side to fight against. After the Brits left they were not trusted in part because of that. Later in years this countries distrust grew to even those who fought for the new nation of freedom and democracy for all. And eventually rounded up and placed on reservations. Kinda the same thing happened to them as the as happened subjects of the king. Land grabs, persecution and death, and other such noble causes of American expansion in the west. But as in any war, to the victor go the spoils. . Last edited by Rockstar; 07-19-11 at 10:38 AM.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I really need to get a better proof-reader. __________________

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,083 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	WTF!....we didn't win? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I had ancestors here in NC during the war. It's not out land anymore, but my grandmother actually grew up in the house he lived in during the war, but it became unlivable when she was a teen. The chimneys are still there. On the land is his crude gravemarker that states "Hung as a traitor" by Cornwallis. It's actually been stolen 3 times over 20 years, but somehow is always found and put back...so far.. We usually go to the reenactment "Battle of Guilford Courthouse". I grew up in that area, pretty good museum if you ever get that way.