Pensions Outrage In UK

06-21-11, 02:25 AM

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Eehm, not to be a pain, but first of all, you have different pensions ages for women and men in the UK? I find that kind of weird in the first place.

It goes back a long time.
An equality case was bought which of course resulted in adding 5 years to the womens retirement age to make all things equal.
But that wouldn't be fair on a woman who was 59 and was about to retire so they stretched the timeframe for implementation, but 5 years is a lot of change so you have to stretch it down to be fair to 55 year olds which isn't fair on 54 year olds so you have to stretch it and they have been argueing for two decades on how long to keep stretching.

BossMark · 06-21-11, 04:00 AM

As an ex coal miner I think I can claim my pit pension when I am 50, but not so sure now. I have never voted Lib Dem and have no intention of ever doing so(I am a member of the Labour party) what they are doing is an absolute outrage and come the next general election it will serve them right when hopefully they will get less than 10 seats.

Jimbuna · 06-21-11, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

As an ex coal miner I think I can claim my pit pension when I am 50, but not so sure now. I have never voted Lib Dem and have no intention of ever doing so(I am a member of the Labour party) what they are doing is an absolute outrage and come the next general election it will serve them right when hopefully they will get less than 10 seats.

Coal minor eh?

I'm a retired cop...pleased to meet you, again

Back on a serious note....I drew my force pension at 50 but this topic is about state/age related pension

Oberon · 06-21-11, 05:29 AM

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Coal minor eh?

I'm a retired cop...pleased to meet you, again

In all seriousness though, is anyone getting a bit of deja vu? I mean, it's been thirty years since The Specials did 'Ghost Town', but the lyrics could be for today. I guess its true what they say about history repeating.

Jimbuna · 06-21-11, 07:02 AM

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In all seriousness though, is anyone getting a bit of deja vu? I mean, it's been thirty years since The Specials did 'Ghost Town', but the lyrics could be for today. I guess its true what they say about history repeating.

One of my fundamental concerns is the fact that on previous economic/industrial downturns there was still a healthy apprenticeship scheme in many industries to help rejuvinate manufacturing etc. when the upturn came but today there are no such schemes or industry for that matter.

Oberon · 06-21-11, 08:34 AM

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One of my fundamental concerns is the fact that on previous economic/industrial downturns there was still a healthy apprenticeship scheme in many industries to help rejuvinate manufacturing etc. when the upturn came but today there are no such schemes or industry for that matter.

I hear you, the death of our primary and secondary industry has been a concern of mine. It's all well and good moving towards a tertiary civilization stage if you have the society to support that, which we do not. Furthermore, tertiary based civilizations are more vulnerable to economic downturns than primary and secondary ones because of their reliance on the economic sector for employment and business. We desperately need to take a step back in the sector stages and focus on secondary and primary industry for employment purposes...however the big problem with that is the quotas set by the EU which put limits on what farming and fishing industries can do. I'm not sure where the EU stands on Secondary industry, but Tertiary seems relatively untouched, which is probably why we're thrashing like mad trying to keep our head above water in the Tertiary sector.

Oh, and for those who are not sure what I mean by Primary, Secondary and Tertiary industry, here's a quick link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-sector_hypothesis

It was something I was taught in Geography which has stuck with me because it is a very true proposal in most instances.

TarJak · 06-21-11, 08:40 AM

The problem is that by the time you have gotten to 3rd stage economy based largely on services rather that production, you have priced yourself out of the primary and secondary markets.

The only way you can compete then is to drop your salary which no-one wants to do because of the hit on standard of living.

I don't know the answers but going back stages is not as easy as you might think unless people are prepared to forego their previous lifestyles. This only happens when the economic downturns bite hard enough on enough people to force large sections of the economy to shift direction.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-21-11, 08:56 AM

We've not much left in the primary, few people have the know-how to be in the secondary, that leaves everyone else answering phones - unless some bright spark decides to ship that out to India. Oh!

And whilst I don't want to get into a political row, yes the Tories may have started the downturn in the loss of primary and secondary industries, but Labour have done little if anything over their 13 years in the hot seat to reverse this.

Back OT, women (and men?) want equality, and this is just one more step towards something like that - still not equal in a lot of other areas, but slowly getting there.

And we need to find some way out of this fiscal cock-up. I just wish Dave would stop announcing things and actually put some feelers out as to what the people think rather than announcing and then changing his mind. A bit ridiculous.

06-21-11, 04:00 AM	#2
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	As an ex coal miner I think I can claim my pit pension when I am 50, but not so sure now. I have never voted Lib Dem and have no intention of ever doing so(I am a member of the Labour party) what they are doing is an absolute outrage and come the next general election it will serve them right when hopefully they will get less than 10 seats. __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

06-21-11, 08:56 AM	#8
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	We've not much left in the primary, few people have the know-how to be in the secondary, that leaves everyone else answering phones - unless some bright spark decides to ship that out to India. Oh! And whilst I don't want to get into a political row, yes the Tories may have started the downturn in the loss of primary and secondary industries, but Labour have done little if anything over their 13 years in the hot seat to reverse this. Back OT, women (and men?) want equality, and this is just one more step towards something like that - still not equal in a lot of other areas, but slowly getting there. And we need to find some way out of this fiscal cock-up. I just wish Dave would stop announcing things and actually put some feelers out as to what the people think rather than announcing and then changing his mind. A bit ridiculous. __________________

06-21-11, 08:40 AM	#7
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	The problem is that by the time you have gotten to 3rd stage economy based largely on services rather that production, you have priced yourself out of the primary and secondary markets. The only way you can compete then is to drop your salary which no-one wants to do because of the hit on standard of living. I don't know the answers but going back stages is not as easy as you might think unless people are prepared to forego their previous lifestyles. This only happens when the economic downturns bite hard enough on enough people to force large sections of the economy to shift direction.