Dark corners of the net

Gerald · 06-16-11, 06:12 AM

Hackers have come a long way since teenagers made code in their bedrooms.

Hackers are secretive, but they are also social. Many spend their spare time in chat rooms and forums discussing their latest targets, techniques and conquests. Eavesdropping on those conversations offers a fascinating insight into their motives.

Say hacker to someone and they are likely to trot out the usual aged clichés - geek, loner, bedroom-bound teenager.

Philosopher is unlikely to feature high on the list. But it seems the modern-day hacker spends a lot of time contemplating the meaning of life.

"Each has a philosophy and they want to discuss it," says Noa Bar Yosef.

She ought to know. Her job with security firm Imperva involves hanging around in hacker forums trying to work out what motivates them.

It is a murky, idiosyncratic world where Ms Yosef admits she spends far too much time.

In one group she visits, members discuss the best reading matter for would-be thinkers.

"Start with Kierkegaard, then Nietzsche and after you've read Nietzsche, Sartre is the most logical choice".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13605629

Note: 16 June 2011 Last updated at 00:59 GMT

AVGWarhawk · 06-16-11, 07:58 AM

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what motivates them.

Something I will never understand.

Gerald · 06-16-11, 08:05 AM

Probably a question that no one can answer,

NeonSamurai · 06-16-11, 08:18 AM

Lulz and boredom mostly. Sometimes its motivated by political or ethical views, but usually its lulz and boredom. They also usually have seriously inflated egos online, generally to match their minuscule egos offline. Many also like to pretend they are really smart, most are not.

Also there are not that many real hackers out there. Most of these guys are script kiddies, and with out the tools written by real hackers, couldn't hack their way out of a paper bag.

the_tyrant · 06-16-11, 08:25 AM

the reporter does not know her thing
its a picture of trollforum.com for heavens sake

Herr-Berbunch · 06-16-11, 08:28 AM

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Say SH3 to someone and they are likely to trot out the usual aged clichés - geek, loner, bedroom-bound middle-aged man.

Onkel Neal · 06-16-11, 11:44 AM

Vendor, don't know where you get your news, but I love it.

Very intersting read.

Jimbuna · 06-16-11, 12:01 PM

BBC News usually, or one of the sub-sections.

A good site for early news releases.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

kiwi_2005 · 06-16-11, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Something I will never understand.

What motivates them?

Motivated by power, getting away with it, adrenaline rush, there 15min of fame, who knows.

With Sony why they hacked them is based on because Sony security was so lame - customers passwords were not encryted to the hacker for this lameness - in their minds Sony deserved to be hacked. So Sony gets hacked not once but twice!

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There appears to be a commonality of 'power' for hackers. The solving of 'puzzles' and the 'see what I can do' attitude is most apparent. By talking to 'wannabees' and individuals who have hacked, the 'power' of finding exploits and 'showing' the 'bigger' entity how they are not secure is the most outstanding trait you will find in these people. There doesn't appear to be a criminological theory or 'true' understanding 'why' they hack. The motivation of hackers will always be a mystery.

Gerald · 06-16-11, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

BBC News usually, or one of the sub-sections.

A good site for early news releases.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

Well informed, I hear

Ducimus · 06-16-11, 01:33 PM

Dark corners of the internet is why i've had a paycheck for the last 11 years.

Gerald · 06-16-11, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Vendor, don't know where you get your news, but I love it.

Very intersting read.

Thanks Neal,

Jimbuna · 06-16-11, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Well informed, I hear

Your maybe preaching to the informed.

Gerald · 06-16-11, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Your maybe preaching to the informed.

Hmmm ... it can be interpreted in several ways.

06-16-11, 08:47 PM

Anything posted about Hackers is mostly distorted depending on who wants a rave review for thier post.
Most people don't even know the true history nor will dig deep enuff to find it.

Hacking was once an Honerable pass time with a set of rules We followed.
The number one rule was:
Do no damage, leave no trace.

Now that has been corrupted by what We called Crackers back then.
I go back to the early '80's late '70's on this thing We call the InterNet.
Many I talked to back then read like a Who's Who list.
And I have changed my online ID for many reasons over the years.

06-16-11, 06:12 AM	#1
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Dark corners of the net Hackers have come a long way since teenagers made code in their bedrooms. Hackers are secretive, but they are also social. Many spend their spare time in chat rooms and forums discussing their latest targets, techniques and conquests. Eavesdropping on those conversations offers a fascinating insight into their motives. Say hacker to someone and they are likely to trot out the usual aged clichés - geek, loner, bedroom-bound teenager. Philosopher is unlikely to feature high on the list. But it seems the modern-day hacker spends a lot of time contemplating the meaning of life. "Each has a philosophy and they want to discuss it," says Noa Bar Yosef. She ought to know. Her job with security firm Imperva involves hanging around in hacker forums trying to work out what motivates them. It is a murky, idiosyncratic world where Ms Yosef admits she spends far too much time. In one group she visits, members discuss the best reading matter for would-be thinkers. "Start with Kierkegaard, then Nietzsche and after you've read Nietzsche, Sartre is the most logical choice". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13605629 Note: 16 June 2011 Last updated at 00:59 GMT __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

06-16-11, 08:05 AM	#3
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Probably a question that no one can answer, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

06-16-11, 08:18 AM	#4
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Lulz and boredom mostly. Sometimes its motivated by political or ethical views, but usually its lulz and boredom. They also usually have seriously inflated egos online, generally to match their minuscule egos offline. Many also like to pretend they are really smart, most are not. Also there are not that many real hackers out there. Most of these guys are script kiddies, and with out the tools written by real hackers, couldn't hack their way out of a paper bag. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

06-16-11, 08:25 AM	#5
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	the reporter does not know her thing its a picture of trollforum.com for heavens sake __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

06-16-11, 11:44 AM	#7
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Vendor, don't know where you get your news, but I love it. Very intersting read. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

06-16-11, 12:01 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	BBC News usually, or one of the sub-sections. A good site for early news releases. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Dark corners of the internet is why i've had a paycheck for the last 11 years.

06-16-11, 08:47 PM	#15
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Anything posted about Hackers is mostly distorted depending on who wants a rave review for thier post. Most people don't even know the true history nor will dig deep enuff to find it. Hacking was once an Honerable pass time with a set of rules We followed. The number one rule was: Do no damage, leave no trace. Now that has been corrupted by what We called Crackers back then. I go back to the early '80's late '70's on this thing We call the InterNet. Many I talked to back then read like a Who's Who list. And I have changed my online ID for many reasons over the years.