SH3 U.S. Pacific Sub or Surface Campaign ???

yubba · 06-06-11, 06:03 PM

However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..[/QUOTE] Don't worry about it I might learn something too, I got a AMD 64 Dell but the on board video card is missing direct draw. any suggestions.

Sailor Steve · 06-06-11, 10:16 PM

I'm not sure exactly how the 4gig patch works, but apparently it's needed to make the computer use 4 gigs at the same time. I actually had it at one point, but was told that it doesn't work with 32 bit systems. I'm still waiting to get a new computer (too much other stuff to buy at the moment) so I can't help other than to mention what I've read here. I'm sure someone will see this who actually knows how to install it and make it work.

frau kaleun · 06-07-11, 08:24 AM

Yubba, first off your hardware has to be compatible with the 64-bit OS, as I understand it most recent CPUs can handle either 32- or 64-bit but not sure about older ones.

Windows 64-bit will recognize and use more than 4 gigs of RAM, the 32-bit OS will not; so adding more and more RAM to a 32-bit system doesn't get you anywhere after you pass the point where Windows simply can't "see" any more of it. With the 64-bit OS you can add far more RAM (provided your motherboard supports it, another possible limitation to be aware of) and Windows will see it and use it.

The 4GB patch for the game's SH3.exe file will allow the game to use up to 4 gigs of RAM when it is running, provided you have that much on board and available. Without the patch the game will only use a maximum of 2 gigs of memory, no matter how much you have available and how much Windows recognizes.

Best case scenario is: Windows 64-bit (allows for more usable memory overall), the 4GB patch for the game (allows the game to use more of your usable memory) and enough RAM onboard to give the game a full 4 gigs of it to use when running.

However if you have 4 gigs or less on board, with either 64-bit or 32-bit Windows, you may still benefit from patching the game file since if there IS more than 2 gigs available to the game at any given time the game will be able to make use of it.

Here are some answers to FAQ re 32-bit vs. 64-bit:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions

There is a way to see if your current system can run the 64-bit OS, I think it's covered in one of those FAQ answers. There's a little app that looks at your current hardware and tells you whether or not it's compatible.

Also be aware that you can't just "upgrade" from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version, in order to make the switch you have to uninstall Windows or reformat the drive, whatever, and then do a full new "from scratch" install of the new 64-bit OS. You can't just use an "upgrade to Windows 7" package, for instance, and upgrade WinXP 32-bit to Win7 64-bit.

Edit: Also it's important not to confuse limitations on the game's use of memory with limitations on how much memory Windows can see and use.

Unpatched, the game will never use more than 2 gigs of memory no matter what OS you have, how much RAM it will recognize and use, or how much of it is actually plugged into your mobo.

If you apply the 4GB patch to the game's .exe file, it will use up to 4 gigs of memory, provided that much is available. If less is available, it will use less - but the maximum amount it can and will make use of has been doubled. If you have 64-bit Windows and enough RAM on board to leave 4 gigs available to the game when it's running, then the game will use the entire 4 gigs.

With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of.

In that situation, use of the 4GB patch for the game may be of some value if you have 4 gigs of RAM on board. The game will not be limited to 2 gigs (because it is patched), but it will be limited to however much of that 4 gig system total is left over after all other needs for memory are met.

Bakkels · 06-07-11, 08:56 AM

Thanks Steve & Frau. Yubba was quoting me (made a typo I guess) but he probably wanted to know the same thing.

Well it seems I can run WIndows 64... But I need to get my hands on it first. And I'll have to re-install everything I have + different drivers. Well I knew that already of course, but it's a hell of a lot of work. Still, then I caN install my extra Gig of RAM and it would probably allow me to play the merchant fleet mod, FM interior... Guess I'll give it a go when I have a free weekend.

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of.

Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?

Gerald · 06-07-11, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bakkels

Thanks Steve & Frau. Yubba was quoting me (made a typo I guess) but he probably wanted to know the same thing.

Well it seems I can run WIndows 64... But I need to get my hands on it first. And I'll have to re-install everything I have + different drivers. Well I knew that already of course, but it's a hell of a lot of work. Still, then I caN install my extra Gig of RAM and it would probably allow me to play the merchant fleet mod, FM interior... Guess I'll give it a go when I have a free weekend.

Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?

No, 3072 MB,with 32-bit

Bakkels · 06-07-11, 09:03 AM

Oh I thought that would explain my problems with adding the 3rd gig to my RAM but I guess its just a bad memory block then...
Well thanks anyway.

Gerald · 06-07-11, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bakkels

Oh I thought that would explain my problems with adding the 3rd gig to my RAM but I guess its just a bad memory block then...
Well thanks anyway.

I say only the limit of 32-bit capable of,not what Steve have in his PC

frau kaleun · 06-07-11, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?

He may have been talking about the game itself, I don't know.

Which is why I said it's important not to confuse memory limitations imposed by the OS and/or amount of RAM on board, with the limitations imposed by an unpatched SH3.exe file.

The game is limited to using 2 gigs, regardless of the OS and amount of RAM available, unless you apply the 4GB patch to it.

Windows 32-bit is limited to using 4 gigs overall, so patching the game to use 4 gigs even with 4 gigs on board is of limited value as there will never be a full 4 gigs available for it. It may still be of some value if you have enough RAM to give the game more than 2 gigs to play with.

yubba · 06-07-11, 09:07 AM

My bad, fat fingers small keyboard, but info helpful.

Sailor Steve · 06-07-11, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bakkels

Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?

I did say that in my first post, or that I "found out" that was the case. I tried to clarify that that was what I thought someone else had said. You have to understand that I can only go by what I've read here, because I don't know anything. I'm trying to learn though. Currently rebuilding a guitar.

Bakkels · 06-07-11, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I did say that in my first post, or that I "found out" that was the case. I tried to clarify that that was what I thought someone else had said. You have to understand that I can only go by what I've read here, because I don't know anything. I'm trying to learn though. Currently rebuilding a guitar.

Ah ok, I'll do some more research of my own then

Oh and @Frau, I know sh3 won't be able to use more than 2Gigs without the patch. But first I've got to get my PC to accept that third Gig in the frst place..

btw Steve, electric or accoustic? I've been thinking on buying some Warmoth parts and putting together my own dream-strat.

Gerald · 06-07-11, 06:39 PM

Bakkels! How many frame slots available on motherboards, and how many gigs can you get in,

06-06-11, 10:16 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm not sure exactly how the 4gig patch works, but apparently it's needed to make the computer use 4 gigs at the same time. I actually had it at one point, but was told that it doesn't work with 32 bit systems. I'm still waiting to get a new computer (too much other stuff to buy at the moment) so I can't help other than to mention what I've read here. I'm sure someone will see this who actually knows how to install it and make it work. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-07-11, 08:24 AM	#3
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Yubba, first off your hardware has to be compatible with the 64-bit OS, as I understand it most recent CPUs can handle either 32- or 64-bit but not sure about older ones. Windows 64-bit will recognize and use more than 4 gigs of RAM, the 32-bit OS will not; so adding more and more RAM to a 32-bit system doesn't get you anywhere after you pass the point where Windows simply can't "see" any more of it. With the 64-bit OS you can add far more RAM (provided your motherboard supports it, another possible limitation to be aware of) and Windows will see it and use it. The 4GB patch for the game's SH3.exe file will allow the game to use up to 4 gigs of RAM when it is running, provided you have that much on board and available. Without the patch the game will only use a maximum of 2 gigs of memory, no matter how much you have available and how much Windows recognizes. Best case scenario is: Windows 64-bit (allows for more usable memory overall), the 4GB patch for the game (allows the game to use more of your usable memory) and enough RAM onboard to give the game a full 4 gigs of it to use when running. However if you have 4 gigs or less on board, with either 64-bit or 32-bit Windows, you may still benefit from patching the game file since if there IS more than 2 gigs available to the game at any given time the game will be able to make use of it. Here are some answers to FAQ re 32-bit vs. 64-bit: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions There is a way to see if your current system can run the 64-bit OS, I think it's covered in one of those FAQ answers. There's a little app that looks at your current hardware and tells you whether or not it's compatible. Also be aware that you can't just "upgrade" from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version, in order to make the switch you have to uninstall Windows or reformat the drive, whatever, and then do a full new "from scratch" install of the new 64-bit OS. You can't just use an "upgrade to Windows 7" package, for instance, and upgrade WinXP 32-bit to Win7 64-bit. Edit: Also it's important not to confuse limitations on the game's use of memory with limitations on how much memory Windows can see and use. Unpatched, the game will never use more than 2 gigs of memory no matter what OS you have, how much RAM it will recognize and use, or how much of it is actually plugged into your mobo. If you apply the 4GB patch to the game's .exe file, it will use up to 4 gigs of memory, provided that much is available. If less is available, it will use less - but the maximum amount it can and will make use of has been doubled. If you have 64-bit Windows and enough RAM on board to leave 4 gigs available to the game when it's running, then the game will use the entire 4 gigs. With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of. In that situation, use of the 4GB patch for the game may be of some value if you have 4 gigs of RAM on board. The game will not be limited to 2 gigs (because it is patched), but it will be limited to however much of that 4 gig system total is left over after all other needs for memory are met. Last edited by frau kaleun; 06-07-11 at 08:40 AM.

06-07-11, 09:03 AM	#6
Bakkels Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Groningen, The Netherlands Posts: 709 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 6	Oh I thought that would explain my problems with adding the 3rd gig to my RAM but I guess its just a bad memory block then... Well thanks anyway. __________________ My sh3 skins : http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/Bakkels Or go to the sh3 downloads section > skins

06-07-11, 06:39 PM	#12
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Bakkels! How many frame slots available on motherboards, and how many gigs can you get in, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

06-06-11, 06:03 PM	#1
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..[/QUOTE] Don't worry about it I might learn something too, I got a AMD 64 Dell but the on board video card is missing direct draw. any suggestions.

06-07-11, 09:07 AM	#9
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	My bad, fat fingers small keyboard, but info helpful.