Computer freeze & temporary refuses to boot up when reset.

HunterICX · 06-03-11, 04:44 PM

Don't you just love it?

So playing a game suddently at random my PC freezes completly... (still image and the sound is humming constantly) but no BSOD appears...

time to press the reset button......computer restarts...no Beep and no signal on the monitor.

press Reset again....no dice
press Reset again....computer powers down....and after 3 or so second it boots up but no beep and no screen.

leaving the PC turned off (without any power) for a short while and then boot up...it starts to work again...just to freeze again at any attempt of playing a game for a bit.

back to the shop with this one. lucky the mobo, videocard, memory sticks and CPU are less then a year old so if it's any of them it's waranty time.

but still it pisses me off

HunterICX

Reece · 06-03-11, 06:03 PM

Agree, if not a fan problem then I would say a part is dying, the problem is finding it, most likely motherboard or video card, try with an old card, also if your system is overclocked try running stock!

HunterICX · 06-03-11, 06:13 PM

well I just stressed my PC twice with Shogun 2 Total war running DX11 with a high number of units and played another game a bit and nothing happens

the issue happend twice when running AvP (alien vs predator 2010) in DX11 mode...giving it like 5 - 10 minutes play time before my PC would lock (though once it did just after closing it and tried to talk through teamspeak and it immediatly locked up my PC and giving me that boot up issue after reset)

strange...
the temps I could monitor where the GPU and CPU
GPU would on heavy load be around 70 - 72ºC
CPU on 100% load 60-67ºC
and when placing my hand on the PSU casing doesn't feel hot to me....

HunterICX

HunterICX · 06-03-11, 06:34 PM

Right...scrap that

was just in the menu of Left 4 Dead 2 when my PC suddently decided to power off and couple of seconds power on again completely by itself.....

EDIT: even better...when the PC was back on and just tried to launch L4D2 it did it again....wtf is going on!!

HunterICX

HunterICX · 06-03-11, 06:59 PM

Right another theory....

we have a problem in the house hold with the electricity lately.
sometimes at a random time during the day/night the voltage drops down to 130V according to the UPS monitor(normally our house should be 220-230V) lights start to flicker and devices turn off or go nuts like their stanby lights go become discolights or make klicking noises

well I have a UPS that will kick in the battery when the power drops too low...but it doesn't when measuring 210v could this cause my PC to hang up or turn off at any random moment because it just can't juice my components enough?

HunterICX

HunterICX · 06-03-11, 07:28 PM

I think the term is ''Brownout''
I'll wait till the issue of our electricity is resolved before I suspect the PC is going nuts on me.

as said I do have a UPS which kicks in when the voltage drops too low so my PC doesnt shutff off unless the battery is drained, but it does nothing when there's a slight drop like 210ish which I think is already too low when running a PC which needs to be juiced to run stuff.

also can Brown Outs damage components? even if there's a UPS between it.

HunterICX

Reece · 06-03-11, 07:41 PM

We are supposed to have 240 volts but generally 220 and at night drops to below 215, when the air conditioner cuts in the power will momentarily drop to 210v and the UPS will cut in then cut off, so I got sick of this and don't use it, am saving for a voltage stabilizer, they are around $100, and should do the job concerning the AC cutting in and out.

Concerning your problem it could be, though I doubt it. Is your UPS continuous charge (PC runs off battery that is continuously being charged) type or cut in?

HunterICX · 06-03-11, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Concerning your problem it could be though I doubt it, is your UPS continuous charge (PC runs off battery that is continuously being charged) type or cut in?

the UPS's battery cuts in when the voltage drops too low (when crap really hits the fan and the lights flicker, devices start to have a seizure) or in case of a total black out.

so when the battery kicks in it keeps my PC juiced a stable 230V
when the battery isn't kicked it it may vary usually between 220 - 230V

^the voltage around the time the PC froze and refused to boot up properly for a while (no beep & No signal on the monitor).

still it doesn't explain why my PC decided to shut off and 3 seconds later to turn on again on itself when just beeing in the menu of a game and once while just launching it...the voltage at that time was 222V - 228V

HunterICX

Arclight · 06-03-11, 10:39 PM

Sounds like overheating to me as well, though I don't see how that is possible regarding what you have told us here.

Hard drive failure? Seems likely to me as well.

Reece · 06-04-11, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

Hard drive failure? Seems likely to me as well.

Yes that's the problem with this type of fault, could be almost anything, even with the UPS cutting in and out of my PC and the fact that it is often running at 210v I still never had any problems like Wim is describing.

This is where a second computer is needed, I would take out all cards and use a different video card and power supply, then run that for a day.

Arclight · 06-04-11, 04:10 AM

Indeed, bit of a luxury though to have the spares to swap out.

I guess the PSU might be damaged from the fluctuating voltages, another option to consider. UPS is nice when the power cuts out, but it's not the same as a line conditioner.

Castout · 06-04-11, 04:11 AM

Voltage drops could damage electrical and electronic equipment especially in the long run.

My voltage stabilizer would shut down when the voltage goes down certain threshold.

HunterICX · 06-04-11, 09:44 AM

Ah well...PC is at the store...let them sort it out whats causing my problems, since most of the components are still in warranty so it's a shame not to use that privelege

anyway hooked up le PS2 to my LCD monitor to pass some of boring afternoons

HunterICX

kiwi_2005 · 06-04-11, 10:12 AM

You were playing Shogun 2 at the time this happened? Could be ninja infiltration

HunterICX · 06-08-11, 12:21 PM

Shop called and my PC is ready for pickup....seemed it was a heating issue from what I could recall as I was busy at work when he called it had to do with my chipset overheating due the fan/heatsink had came lose a bit, so it has been put back into place and the whole case and components have been cleaned

HunterICX

06-03-11, 04:44 PM	#1
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Computer freeze & temporary refuses to boot up when reset. Don't you just love it? So playing a game suddently at random my PC freezes completly... (still image and the sound is humming constantly) but no BSOD appears... time to press the reset button......computer restarts...no Beep and no signal on the monitor. press Reset again....no dice press Reset again....computer powers down....and after 3 or so second it boots up but no beep and no screen. leaving the PC turned off (without any power) for a short while and then boot up...it starts to work again...just to freeze again at any attempt of playing a game for a bit. back to the shop with this one. lucky the mobo, videocard, memory sticks and CPU are less then a year old so if it's any of them it's waranty time. but still it pisses me off HunterICX __________________

06-03-11, 06:03 PM	#2
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,709 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Agree, if not a fan problem then I would say a part is dying, the problem is finding it, most likely motherboard or video card, try with an old card, also if your system is overclocked try running stock! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

06-03-11, 06:13 PM	#3
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	well I just stressed my PC twice with Shogun 2 Total war running DX11 with a high number of units and played another game a bit and nothing happens the issue happend twice when running AvP (alien vs predator 2010) in DX11 mode...giving it like 5 - 10 minutes play time before my PC would lock (though once it did just after closing it and tried to talk through teamspeak and it immediatly locked up my PC and giving me that boot up issue after reset) strange... the temps I could monitor where the GPU and CPU GPU would on heavy load be around 70 - 72ºC CPU on 100% load 60-67ºC and when placing my hand on the PSU casing doesn't feel hot to me.... HunterICX __________________ Last edited by HunterICX; 06-03-11 at 07:43 PM.

06-03-11, 06:34 PM	#4
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Right...scrap that was just in the menu of Left 4 Dead 2 when my PC suddently decided to power off and couple of seconds power on again completely by itself..... EDIT: even better...when the PC was back on and just tried to launch L4D2 it did it again....wtf is going on!! HunterICX __________________ Last edited by HunterICX; 06-03-11 at 07:42 PM.

06-03-11, 06:59 PM	#5
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Right another theory.... we have a problem in the house hold with the electricity lately. sometimes at a random time during the day/night the voltage drops down to 130V according to the UPS monitor(normally our house should be 220-230V) lights start to flicker and devices turn off or go nuts like their stanby lights go become discolights or make klicking noises well I have a UPS that will kick in the battery when the power drops too low...but it doesn't when measuring 210v could this cause my PC to hang up or turn off at any random moment because it just can't juice my components enough? HunterICX __________________ Last edited by HunterICX; 06-03-11 at 07:37 PM.

06-03-11, 07:28 PM	#6
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I think the term is ''Brownout'' I'll wait till the issue of our electricity is resolved before I suspect the PC is going nuts on me. as said I do have a UPS which kicks in when the voltage drops too low so my PC doesnt shutff off unless the battery is drained, but it does nothing when there's a slight drop like 210ish which I think is already too low when running a PC which needs to be juiced to run stuff. also can Brown Outs damage components? even if there's a UPS between it. HunterICX __________________ Last edited by HunterICX; 06-03-11 at 07:38 PM.

06-03-11, 07:41 PM	#7
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,709 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	We are supposed to have 240 volts but generally 220 and at night drops to below 215, when the air conditioner cuts in the power will momentarily drop to 210v and the UPS will cut in then cut off, so I got sick of this and don't use it, am saving for a voltage stabilizer, they are around $100, and should do the job concerning the AC cutting in and out. Concerning your problem it could be, though I doubt it. Is your UPS continuous charge (PC runs off battery that is continuously being charged) type or cut in? __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

06-03-11, 10:39 PM	#9
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Sounds like overheating to me as well, though I don't see how that is possible regarding what you have told us here. Hard drive failure? Seems likely to me as well. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-04-11, 04:10 AM	#11
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Indeed, bit of a luxury though to have the spares to swap out. I guess the PSU might be damaged from the fluctuating voltages, another option to consider. UPS is nice when the power cuts out, but it's not the same as a line conditioner. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-04-11, 04:11 AM	#12
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Voltage drops could damage electrical and electronic equipment especially in the long run. My voltage stabilizer would shut down when the voltage goes down certain threshold. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

06-04-11, 09:44 AM	#13
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Ah well...PC is at the store...let them sort it out whats causing my problems, since most of the components are still in warranty so it's a shame not to use that privelege anyway hooked up le PS2 to my LCD monitor to pass some of boring afternoons HunterICX __________________

06-04-11, 10:12 AM	#14
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	You were playing Shogun 2 at the time this happened? Could be ninja infiltration __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

06-08-11, 12:21 PM	#15
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Shop called and my PC is ready for pickup....seemed it was a heating issue from what I could recall as I was busy at work when he called it had to do with my chipset overheating due the fan/heatsink had came lose a bit, so it has been put back into place and the whole case and components have been cleaned HunterICX __________________