Second Amendment Under Attack In Congress

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Skybird

American movies and TV are omnipresent in many places of the world that are not any American at all. and what thes epropgrams are more filled with than anything else are violence, and weapons, and explosions, and then more of that. And this impacts on our own cultural climate over here as well. So we wonder why this is so, and we note this fetish that weapons are in your culture - you can hardly argue that it is only about pragmatic self-defence.

American media wouldn't have the success it has internationally if there wasn't a demand for it. If Germans or Poles or Swedes or whoevers didn't have the appetite for violent American movies, TV and games, then there'd be no money in exporting them for foreign consumption. Demand creates product, not the other way around.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

American media wouldn't have the success it has internationally if there wasn't a demand for it. If Germans or Poles or Swedes or whoevers didn't have the appetite for violent American movies, TV and games, then there'd be no money in exporting them for foreign consumption. Demand creates product, not the other way around.

No, it is not that one-lane road you claim. Demand can artifically be created, and is all the time. To do so is the job of the advertisement industry, and lobbying. One would not spend billions into that effort year by year if it were not producing returns the companies can count in dollars and cents.
That includes the weapons lobby. That includes Hollywood.

And like kids can get used to not like sweets as much as they usually do, you can also educate or influence people to find images of violence and weapons less attractive. For many of us, this also happens all by itself, naturally, when we become older.

[Wolfehunter]

I disagree with you sky on these issues. If the person is responsible and has commonsense it shouldn't mater what weapon he owns as long as its used right. Now a battleship I agree is abit much.. But Heavy weapons should be fine. Government has to stop screwing the people. So people need a way to defend themselves. Pop gun isn't going to cut it dude.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

If the person is responsible and has commonsense it shouldn't mater what weapon he owns as long as its used right.

That's the heart of issue.
Are there laws in USA that ensures for the above to be implemented or you talking about yourself.
I have a gun in my drawer too but i don't thing that everyone should be able to carry one.
There is no need for that.
Is USA a war zone or conquering the wild west.
Yes not fair.
Freedom to carry a gun seems to me more of American symbol than necessity.

[Platapus]

I would not get too upset about this. These types of bills come up every congressional session and every congressional session they die in committee or get .. uh.. well.. shot down. .

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I would not get too upset about this. These types of bills come up every congressional session and every congressional session they die in committee or get .. uh.. well.. shot down. .

Yep, the supreme court will shoot it down, not to mention bad timing with the election coming up. The fact is too many Dems are for gun rights, well, might be against them, but for them to get voted in.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Yep, the supreme court will shoot it down, not to mention bad timing with the election coming up. The fact is too many Dems are for gun rights, well, might be against them, but for them to get voted in.

I will bet a scooby snack that this gets no where near the Supreme Court.

I doubt it will get out of committee.

[Freiwillige]

I own a 9mm service pistol, a .22 revolver (Made in Germany) And now as of yesterday one of these! Its a Bulgarian parts kit -the receiver that I am building



I built the front barrel assembly today and come payday I order the receiver and the rest of the bolts and rivets to bolt this bad boy together.

Now some would call it an assault rifle, It is not, at least not any longer. It does not have full auto capability only semi auto use which makes it just a semi auto rifle.

The big question always posed by the anti gun lobby is "Do you need to own such a rifle?" My thought's are this. When I find out that I NEED to own such a rifle isn't it already to late?
Maybe just maybe I enjoy owning and shooting Military firearms without the sudden murderous compulsion to just put rounds into everybody I see.

But the Final point in the argument is the one that trumps all others and that is that the forefathers had the foresight to put in the Second Amendment to this glorious Constitution of the United States of America.

[gimpy117]

I don't think you will ever need a rifle in 7.62x39 for home defense. It's called home "defense" not "home assault" for a reason. It would be a fun gun for range time, but I think it's overkill for personal defense and an example of what Skybird is talking about. And it's still an assault rifle. has to do with the cartage

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I don't think you will ever need a rifle in 7.62x39 for home defense. It's called home "defense" not "home assault" for a reason. It would be a fun gun for range time, but I think it's overkill for personal defense and an example of what Skybird is talking about. And it's still an assault rifle. has to do with the cartage

Its not a 7.62x39 although that translates into a .308 or 30 cal popular for hunting

It is a 5.45x39 which is similar to the .223\5.56 NATO round. In fact it is a copy of the idea. So that equates it to basically a .22 caliber bullet.

It has nothing to do with the round but the designed intent of the firearm.
Assault weapons are fully automatic. Once that equation is removed the only thing remaining is the looks. My Rifle will look just like the AK-74. It will be based off the AK-74. But it will be just a magazine fed rifle.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Now some would call it an assault rifle, It is not, at least not any longer. It does not have full auto capability only semi auto use which makes it just a semi auto rifle.

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I don't remember shooting my assault rifle in full auto during my army service.
That is besides few times to prove how wastefully and ineffective it is.
Ok so you cant preform rage shooting with this rifle but you still have high velocity long range gun.

Why any one would want to own AK 74 is beyond me but have fun.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by MH

I don't remember shooting my assault rifle in full auto during my army service.
That is besides few times to prove how wastefully and ineffective it is.
Ok so you cant preform rage shooting with this rifle but you still have high velocity long range gun.

Why any one would want to own AK 74 is beyond me but have fun.

Reason's to own an AK-74.

1. Cost. Dirt cheap right now as low as $399 at some online retailers.
2. Ammo cost. 1,040 rounds of surplus soviet\ukrainian ammo in sealed tins $149 U.S. !!!!!!!!!!!!! That's far less than even 9mm ammo for my handgun
3. maintenance ...almost none, Gun will outlast me and probably my great grandchildren.
4. Fun to shoot a piece of military history

Its not for home defense and I never claimed it was. That's what my 12 gauge is for. Shooting is a hobby just like many other hobby's.

A Ruger mini 14 ranch rifle
http://www.americanfirearmsschool.co...I14_INV225.JPG

Now a militarized one
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog...ini_14-tfb.JPG

So it goes from being a ranch rifle to an assault rifle just by putting cool looking parts on it that have no effect on its actual function?

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by MH

Freedom to carry a gun seems to me more of American symbol than necessity.

Here is the key of it. Necessity is all the time. When you have crazies walking the streets or criminals legal or not doing what they want. Tools suppose to protect us are being abused. Who do you trust? Who do you give up your rights to and believe they will protect you and the people you love? I'm never going to give up my right to defend myself ever. If that means the police or invader will shoot me so be it. I will die trying to protect my family and ---- the system.

States interests aren't your interests. These policies are set for a select few to control the rest. Nothing more nothing less. I personally don't care if the rules are in US, Russia, Europe or any other nation. You have a right to defend yourself Period!

But the Final point in the argument is the one that trumps all others and that is that the forefathers had the foresight to put in the Second Amendment to this glorious Constitution of the United States of America.

If they had the foresight it wouldn't be an amendment would it

[yubba]

Actually it should have been the first amendment, we didn't drive the British out of our country and win our independence from them, by talking nicely to them, we shot and killed them. The gun is what made us free and is what keeps us free, and you guys better not forget that. Anyone that hates your gun rights more than likely hates your other rights too.