Second Amendment Under Attack In Congress

[MH]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

If the person is responsible and has commonsense it shouldn't mater what weapon he owns as long as its used right.

That's the heart of issue.
Are there laws in USA that ensures for the above to be implemented or you talking about yourself.
I have a gun in my drawer too but i don't thing that everyone should be able to carry one.
There is no need for that.
Is USA a war zone or conquering the wild west.
Yes not fair.
Freedom to carry a gun seems to me more of American symbol than necessity.

[Platapus]

I would not get too upset about this. These types of bills come up every congressional session and every congressional session they die in committee or get .. uh.. well.. shot down. .

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I would not get too upset about this. These types of bills come up every congressional session and every congressional session they die in committee or get .. uh.. well.. shot down. .

Yep, the supreme court will shoot it down, not to mention bad timing with the election coming up. The fact is too many Dems are for gun rights, well, might be against them, but for them to get voted in.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Yep, the supreme court will shoot it down, not to mention bad timing with the election coming up. The fact is too many Dems are for gun rights, well, might be against them, but for them to get voted in.

I will bet a scooby snack that this gets no where near the Supreme Court.

I doubt it will get out of committee.

[Freiwillige]

I own a 9mm service pistol, a .22 revolver (Made in Germany) And now as of yesterday one of these! Its a Bulgarian parts kit -the receiver that I am building



I built the front barrel assembly today and come payday I order the receiver and the rest of the bolts and rivets to bolt this bad boy together.

Now some would call it an assault rifle, It is not, at least not any longer. It does not have full auto capability only semi auto use which makes it just a semi auto rifle.

The big question always posed by the anti gun lobby is "Do you need to own such a rifle?" My thought's are this. When I find out that I NEED to own such a rifle isn't it already to late?
Maybe just maybe I enjoy owning and shooting Military firearms without the sudden murderous compulsion to just put rounds into everybody I see.

But the Final point in the argument is the one that trumps all others and that is that the forefathers had the foresight to put in the Second Amendment to this glorious Constitution of the United States of America.

[gimpy117]

I don't think you will ever need a rifle in 7.62x39 for home defense. It's called home "defense" not "home assault" for a reason. It would be a fun gun for range time, but I think it's overkill for personal defense and an example of what Skybird is talking about. And it's still an assault rifle. has to do with the cartage

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I don't think you will ever need a rifle in 7.62x39 for home defense. It's called home "defense" not "home assault" for a reason. It would be a fun gun for range time, but I think it's overkill for personal defense and an example of what Skybird is talking about. And it's still an assault rifle. has to do with the cartage

Its not a 7.62x39 although that translates into a .308 or 30 cal popular for hunting

It is a 5.45x39 which is similar to the .223\5.56 NATO round. In fact it is a copy of the idea. So that equates it to basically a .22 caliber bullet.

It has nothing to do with the round but the designed intent of the firearm.
Assault weapons are fully automatic. Once that equation is removed the only thing remaining is the looks. My Rifle will look just like the AK-74. It will be based off the AK-74. But it will be just a magazine fed rifle.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Its not a 7.62x39 although that translates into a .308 or 30 cal popular for hunting

It is a 5.45x39 which is similar to the .223\5.56 NATO round. In fact it is a copy of the idea. So that equates it to basically a .22 caliber bullet.

It has nothing to do with the round but the designed intent of the firearm.
Assault weapons are fully automatic. Once that equation is removed the only thing remaining is the looks. My Rifle will look just like the AK-74. It will be based off the AK-74. But it will be just a magazine fed rifle.

but with much less powder behind it. do you have any clue how bullets work? A .308 the .30-06 cartage has a much higher powder charge making it more powerful. lust because it has the same caliber does not mean it's just as effective for hunting. Also, a 5.45x39 is not anywhere the same as a .22 either. Much higher powder to bullet ratio.

I also reject the idea that cartage has nothing to do with the making of an assault rifle. why? because an assault rifle cartage is the basis of the gun itself. A full sized .308 firing full auto would be known as a automatic rifle, Like the BAR or FG-42. However, the idea of an assault rifle is an automatic rifle firing an intermediate cartage between a pistol and a full on rifle. If your gun fired 9mm I'd call it an SMG, If your Gun fired 7.62x54r then I'll call it a Dragunov or SVD which is a Rifle.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

but with much less powder behind it. do you have any clue how bullets work? A .308 the .30-06 cartage has a much higher powder charge making it more powerful. lust because it has the same caliber does not mean it's just as effective for hunting. Also, a 5.45x39 is not anywhere the same as a .22 either. Much higher powder to bullet ratio.

I also reject the idea that cartage has nothing to do with the making of an assault rifle. why? because an assault rifle cartage is the basis of the gun itself. A full sized .308 firing full auto would be known as a automatic rifle, Like the BAR or FG-42. However, the idea of an assault rifle is an automatic rifle firing an intermediate cartage between a pistol and a full on rifle. If your gun fired 9mm I'd call it an SMG, If your Gun fired 7.62x54r then I'll call it a Dragunov or SVD which is a Rifle.

If my gun fired a 9mm you would call it a SMG. How is that possible since a SMG, Sub Machine Gun has to be fully Automatic AKA Machine gun?

So the Ruger 14 ranch rifle is an assault rifle since it fire's .223\5.56?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Now some would call it an assault rifle, It is not, at least not any longer. It does not have full auto capability only semi auto use which makes it just a semi auto rifle.

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I don't remember shooting my assault rifle in full auto during my army service.
That is besides few times to prove how wastefully and ineffective it is.
Ok so you cant preform rage shooting with this rifle but you still have high velocity long range gun.

Why any one would want to own AK 74 is beyond me but have fun.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by MH

I don't remember shooting my assault rifle in full auto during my army service.
That is besides few times to prove how wastefully and ineffective it is.
Ok so you cant preform rage shooting with this rifle but you still have high velocity long range gun.

Why any one would want to own AK 74 is beyond me but have fun.

Reason's to own an AK-74.

1. Cost. Dirt cheap right now as low as $399 at some online retailers.
2. Ammo cost. 1,040 rounds of surplus soviet\ukrainian ammo in sealed tins $149 U.S. !!!!!!!!!!!!! That's far less than even 9mm ammo for my handgun
3. maintenance ...almost none, Gun will outlast me and probably my great grandchildren.
4. Fun to shoot a piece of military history

Its not for home defense and I never claimed it was. That's what my 12 gauge is for. Shooting is a hobby just like many other hobby's.

A Ruger mini 14 ranch rifle
http://www.americanfirearmsschool.co...I14_INV225.JPG

Now a militarized one
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog...ini_14-tfb.JPG

So it goes from being a ranch rifle to an assault rifle just by putting cool looking parts on it that have no effect on its actual function?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

So it goes from being a ranch rifle to an assault rifle just by putting cool looking parts on it that have no effect on its actual function?

I'm not gun freak just used to be an user i don't really know what they sell at Wallmart .
If the only difference is the AUTO option then its true.
You actually already own military assault rifle without this small technicality.

[yubba]

First off the term assult rifle was made up to demonies weapons. Assult means attack, so if it sits in the corner, I guess it is a peace rifle.

Some of them did have the foresight

So some of them did and some of them didn't, the ones that didn't won out at the writing of the constitution but then they argued some more over the arguements they had already had and the ones that did won on that arguement.
So they did more writing, but then it turns out despite all the arguements the ones who did didn't really as what they wrote is still argued about over two hundred years later as their foresight and writing wasn't very good.

[MH]

Originally Posted by yubba

First off the term assult rifle was made up to demonies weapons. Assult means attack, so if it sits in the corner, I guess it is a peace rifle.

No its a purpose.
Every one to his own though.
When i have the time and peace of mind ill probably will go into airplane models building.