Religion, who cares?

Damo1977 · 11-11-05, 05:03 AM

Who really believes in the fairy tales of religion, weither it is, Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Zionism etc.

The Avon Lady · 11-11-05, 05:11 AM

Zionism is a religion?

Really?

Fascinating!

Damo1977 · 11-11-05, 05:33 AM

is it the Jewish religion and Zionism is a religion

The Avon Lady · 11-11-05, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo1977

is it the Jewish religion and Zionism is a religion

No more than Marxism is a religion. It's true that you can use a weak defintion of the word "religion" to mean "A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion" but then you should list all the "ism's" in this world.

Judaism is a religion in the most elementary sense of the word. Zionism is not. Never has been. Hence there are people who are totally aetheistic believers and practitioners of Zionism.

joea · 11-11-05, 06:29 AM

Zionism is a political movement, and just to confirm something Avon Lady, is it true many Zionists were marxists??? Read somewhere about the early kibbutz having pics of Marx and Engels around, damn can't recall where I read that quote. :hmm:

Sixpack · 11-11-05, 06:35 AM

I can not participate in this poll because of the limited choices.

I am not a religious man, in terms of church-going, but I believe in a divine creator who works in mysterious ways. I also think it's generally good for people everywhere to go to church and hear a message of peace, heaven, social behavior and basically learn about the bigger scheme of things.

I however take religious books and the often shameful orthodox stuff that comes with it with a bag of salt. It often works out wrong. Religion (as in sects) bonds small communities, sure, but separates people in the bigger picture. The world has become a global village. We must acknowledge religions are a cultural phenomenon and being born a Christian, a muslim or whatever, is primarily a matter of geographical coincidence.

To wrap it up:

* 1 creator of heaven (in whatever shape or form nobody knows), earth & mankind.
* Religious differences, hate and fanatism equals (=) human bogus.

It's basically simple. We really don't need the (entire) books for that.

The Avon Lady · 11-11-05, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

Zionism is a political movement, and just to confirm something Avon Lady, is it true many Zionists were marxists??? Read somewhere about the early kibbutz having pics of Marx and Engels around, damn can't recall where I read that quote. :hmm:

Plenty of Zionists were Marxists. We still have a few such oddballs around. Plenty were capitalists. Plenty were conservatives. Plenty were liberals. Plenty were religious. Plenty were secular.

I think a link would be in order at this time.

jumpy · 11-11-05, 07:46 AM

No.
I have no faith in any recognised sense of the word. There might be a 'God' but whatever the case, no petty smallminded view in human doctrine can fill the gap reserved for truth. Call it what you will, but to my mind all religion and so called 'holy' beliefs are nothing more than a panacea for the great unwashed masses.

TLAM Strike · 11-11-05, 12:51 PM

What we humans perceive as God(s) is just the Universe its self, and (possibly) beings with a higher level of technology/higher level of consciousness (like noncorporeal beings) and that doesnâ€™t need to be worshiped, respected and understood yes but not worshiped.

But thatâ€™s not to say Religion is a bad thing, if it helps you to understand your place in the universe, give you guidance and respect for your fellow man then its doing good.

11-11-05, 03:25 PM

More 2000 year old fairy tales again????

Grom · 11-11-05, 04:19 PM

You western world people have forgot about religion. Religion was always nearby, it creataed the traditions (like christmas). How many of You celebrate christmas ? I dont have to ask, sure almost every one. Why then ? Because of decorations ? Because of friends ? Ofcourse no. You celebrate these days because of tradition. Because You growed in this since You remember. another thing is that either this is traditional celebration or not, in western world it lost its sense. This is not shopping, Santa Claus is not Disney cartoon movies product. He is religion product, the same like many many things waht You meet every day, and You dont even know about it.

Skybird · 11-11-05, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grom

Santa Claus is not Disney cartoon movies product. He is religion product, the same like many many things waht You meet every day, and You dont even know about it.

Have a brake, have a coca cola, my friend.

Bort · 11-11-05, 10:05 PM

As Marx said, "religion is the opiate of the masses." When someone uses god to control others it sickens me. People should be able to make up their own minds about god and nature and not follow the teachings of idiots like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4427144.stm

CCIP · 11-11-05, 10:11 PM

I think the poll title is far too provocative to evoke an objective response.

Myself, I'm against any dogma and religious organization. But I welcome spiritualism, whatever form it may take.
Quakers are kinda cool, too :hmm:

Iceman · 11-12-05, 12:36 AM

Vanity of Vanites ALL is Vanity...No thing new under the sun.I do NOT believe in religion...I believe.

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11-11-05, 05:03 AM	#1
Damo1977 Captain Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 487 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Religion, who cares? Who really believes in the fairy tales of religion, weither it is, Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Zionism etc. __________________ \"If man is called to be to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well\" Martin Luther King, Jr

11-11-05, 05:11 AM	#2
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Zionism is a religion? Really? Fascinating! __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

11-11-05, 05:33 AM	#3
Damo1977 Captain Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 487 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	is it the Jewish religion and Zionism is a religion __________________ \"If man is called to be to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well\" Martin Luther King, Jr

11-11-05, 06:35 AM	#6
Sixpack Samurai Navy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: below North Sea level (iow Holland) Posts: 592 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can not participate in this poll because of the limited choices. I am not a religious man, in terms of church-going, but I believe in a divine creator who works in mysterious ways. I also think it's generally good for people everywhere to go to church and hear a message of peace, heaven, social behavior and basically learn about the bigger scheme of things. I however take religious books and the often shameful orthodox stuff that comes with it with a bag of salt. It often works out wrong. Religion (as in sects) bonds small communities, sure, but separates people in the bigger picture. The world has become a global village. We must acknowledge religions are a cultural phenomenon and being born a Christian, a muslim or whatever, is primarily a matter of geographical coincidence. To wrap it up: * 1 creator of heaven (in whatever shape or form nobody knows), earth & mankind. * Religious differences, hate and fanatism equals (=) human bogus. It's basically simple. We really don't need the (entire) books for that. __________________ \"Navigare necesse est, vivere non est necesse\"

11-11-05, 06:29 AM	#5
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Zionism is a political movement, and just to confirm something Avon Lady, is it true many Zionists were marxists??? Read somewhere about the early kibbutz having pics of Marx and Engels around, damn can't recall where I read that quote. :hmm:

11-11-05, 07:46 AM	#8
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	No. I have no faith in any recognised sense of the word. There might be a 'God' but whatever the case, no petty smallminded view in human doctrine can fill the gap reserved for truth. Call it what you will, but to my mind all religion and so called 'holy' beliefs are nothing more than a panacea for the great unwashed masses. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

11-11-05, 12:51 PM	#9
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	What we humans perceive as God(s) is just the Universe its self, and (possibly) beings with a higher level of technology/higher level of consciousness (like noncorporeal beings) and that doesnâ€™t need to be worshiped, respected and understood yes but not worshiped. But thatâ€™s not to say Religion is a bad thing, if it helps you to understand your place in the universe, give you guidance and respect for your fellow man then its doing good. __________________

11-11-05, 03:25 PM	#10
U-552Erich-Topp Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	More 2000 year old fairy tales again????

11-11-05, 04:19 PM	#11
Grom In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 112 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	You western world people have forgot about religion. Religion was always nearby, it creataed the traditions (like christmas). How many of You celebrate christmas ? I dont have to ask, sure almost every one. Why then ? Because of decorations ? Because of friends ? Ofcourse no. You celebrate these days because of tradition. Because You growed in this since You remember. another thing is that either this is traditional celebration or not, in western world it lost its sense. This is not shopping, Santa Claus is not Disney cartoon movies product. He is religion product, the same like many many things waht You meet every day, and You dont even know about it.

11-11-05, 10:05 PM	#13
Bort Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Studying in Atlanta Posts: 919 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	As Marx said, "religion is the opiate of the masses." When someone uses god to control others it sickens me. People should be able to make up their own minds about god and nature and not follow the teachings of idiots like this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4427144.stm __________________ GT Aerospace

11-11-05, 10:11 PM	#14
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I think the poll title is far too provocative to evoke an objective response. Myself, I'm against any dogma and religious organization. But I welcome spiritualism, whatever form it may take. Quakers are kinda cool, too :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-12-05, 12:36 AM	#15
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Vanity of Vanites ALL is Vanity...No thing new under the sun.I do NOT believe in religion...I believe.