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Damo1977 11-11-05 05:03 AM

Religion, who cares?
 
Who really believes in the fairy tales of religion, weither it is, Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Zionism etc.

The Avon Lady 11-11-05 05:11 AM

Zionism is a religion?

Really?

Fascinating!

:shifty:

Damo1977 11-11-05 05:33 AM

is it the Jewish religion and Zionism is a religion

The Avon Lady 11-11-05 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo1977
is it the Jewish religion and Zionism is a religion

No more than Marxism is a religion. It's true that you can use a weak defintion of the word "religion" to mean "A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion" but then you should list all the "ism's" in this world.

Judaism is a religion in the most elementary sense of the word. Zionism is not. Never has been. Hence there are people who are totally aetheistic believers and practitioners of Zionism.

joea 11-11-05 06:29 AM

Zionism is a political movement, and just to confirm something Avon Lady, is it true many Zionists were marxists??? Read somewhere about the early kibbutz having pics of Marx and Engels around, damn can't recall where I read that quote. :hmm:

Sixpack 11-11-05 06:35 AM

I can not participate in this poll because of the limited choices.

I am not a religious man, in terms of church-going, but I believe in a divine creator who works in mysterious ways. I also think it's generally good for people everywhere to go to church and hear a message of peace, heaven, social behavior and basically learn about the bigger scheme of things.

I however take religious books and the often shameful orthodox stuff that comes with it with a bag of salt. It often works out wrong. Religion (as in sects) bonds small communities, sure, but separates people in the bigger picture. The world has become a global village. We must acknowledge religions are a cultural phenomenon and being born a Christian, a muslim or whatever, is primarily a matter of geographical coincidence.

To wrap it up:
  • * 1 creator of heaven (in whatever shape or form nobody knows), earth & mankind.
    * Religious differences, hate and fanatism equals (=) human bogus.

It's basically simple. We really don't need the (entire) books for that.

The Avon Lady 11-11-05 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea
Zionism is a political movement, and just to confirm something Avon Lady, is it true many Zionists were marxists??? Read somewhere about the early kibbutz having pics of Marx and Engels around, damn can't recall where I read that quote. :hmm:

Plenty of Zionists were Marxists. We still have a few such oddballs around. Plenty were capitalists. Plenty were conservatives. Plenty were liberals. Plenty were religious. Plenty were secular.

I think a link would be in order at this time.

jumpy 11-11-05 07:46 AM

No.
I have no faith in any recognised sense of the word. There might be a 'God' but whatever the case, no petty smallminded view in human doctrine can fill the gap reserved for truth. Call it what you will, but to my mind all religion and so called 'holy' beliefs are nothing more than a panacea for the great unwashed masses.

TLAM Strike 11-11-05 12:51 PM

What we humans perceive as God(s) is just the Universe its self, and (possibly) beings with a higher level of technology/higher level of consciousness (like noncorporeal beings) and that doesn’t need to be worshiped, respected and understood yes but not worshiped.

But that’s not to say Religion is a bad thing, if it helps you to understand your place in the universe, give you guidance and respect for your fellow man then its doing good.

11-11-05 03:25 PM

:) More 2000 year old fairy tales again????

Grom 11-11-05 04:19 PM

You western world people have forgot about religion. Religion was always nearby, it creataed the traditions (like christmas). How many of You celebrate christmas ? I dont have to ask, sure almost every one. Why then ? Because of decorations ? Because of friends ? Ofcourse no. You celebrate these days because of tradition. Because You growed in this since You remember. another thing is that either this is traditional celebration or not, in western world it lost its sense. This is not shopping, Santa Claus is not Disney cartoon movies product. He is religion product, the same like many many things waht You meet every day, and You dont even know about it.

Skybird 11-11-05 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grom
Santa Claus is not Disney cartoon movies product. He is religion product, the same like many many things waht You meet every day, and You dont even know about it.

Have a brake, have a coca cola, my friend.

Bort 11-11-05 10:05 PM

As Marx said, "religion is the opiate of the masses." When someone uses god to control others it sickens me. People should be able to make up their own minds about god and nature and not follow the teachings of idiots like this. :nope:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4427144.stm

CCIP 11-11-05 10:11 PM

I think the poll title is far too provocative to evoke an objective response.

Myself, I'm against any dogma and religious organization. But I welcome spiritualism, whatever form it may take.
Quakers are kinda cool, too :hmm:

Iceman 11-12-05 12:36 AM

Vanity of Vanites ALL is Vanity...No thing new under the sun.I do NOT believe in religion...I believe.


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