Pakistan's parliament condemns bin Laden raid

I don't know if I'd advocate taking them out, but I certainly say screw 'em. Cut the aid, and put the diplomacy on ice. These guys aren't our friends.

Its a case of Then what?
Plus one?????????
.....simple enough question takeda.....what then?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Then what?
Plus one?????????
.....simple enough question takeda.....what then?

Kill them all.....

Kill them all.....

Well done MH , you have come up with the final solution.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by MH

Kill them all.....

Then after the last one is dead, nuke em just for chits and giggles.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well done MH , you have come up with the final solution.

At least is final....

At least is final....

yeah yeah you sad twisted hater of jews..or are you just being a troll again?
After all who apart from an anti semite bigot or a troll could come up with such nonsense as you seem to spout.
What is it your favourite posted link calls it?.......self hating jews
Loony bin material

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

yeah yeah you sad twisted hater of jews..or are you just being a troll again?
After all who apart from an anti semite bigot or a troll could come up with such nonsense as you seem to spout.
What is it your favourite posted link calls it?.......self hating jews
Loony bin material

WTF do you want from my Jewishness lol.
Go drink some whisky loosen up get laid smoke pot sniff glue...pray to holly mary.
Have fun...

[Stealhead]

It is much more complex than that.What happens if we did say nuke Pakistan how does China(a very close ally of Pakistan) react to this?How does Russia react to this? Two nations that can attack use with nuclear weapons at this very moment. Things are never as simple as push the button I'm afraid.Also the nukes that Pakistan has lack the range to even reach the US.But if certain factions that support the extremists could have a coup and over throw the weak government and then we are in real trouble.It is wiser to solve this issue by different means such getting the more moderate non-Taliban supporting factions in better control.Pakistan has a very weak government and that causes all the problems if we actually tried to solve this problem(which we currently do not we just give them money and hope that everything works out)If Pakistan and Afghanistan simply had governments that where not weak and corrupt(or at least much less so enough to stand on their own) it would go a long way and solve most of the problems in that part of the world this is very possible because many Pakistanis have been found to dislike the Taliban because violence caused by them has spread into much of the country so the majority of Pakistanis dislike the extremists do not believe those clips that you see of hundreds of Pakistanis protesting against the US or for the Taliban it is very common for groups to hire people to show up so most of the protestors are there because they got paid and they could care less about what they supposedly protesting.Most of the extremist support comes form outside Pakistan and they take advantage of the situation.For example in Pashtun society Imams traditionally received much less respect than tribal elders received it was the influence of outside groups "educating" young boys that gave the Imams much more power and influence.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

It is much more complex than that.What happens if we did say nuke Pakistan how does China(a very close ally of Pakistan) react to this?How does Russia react to this? Two nations that can attack use with nuclear weapons at this very moment. Things are never as simple as push the button I'm afraid.Also the nukes that Pakistan has lack the range to even reach the US.But if certain factions that support the extremists could have a coup and over throw the weak government and then we are in real trouble.It is wiser to solve this issue by different means such getting the more moderate non-Taliban supporting factions in better control.Pakistan has a very weak government and that causes all the problems if we actually tried to solve this problem(which we currently do not we just give them money and hope that everything works out)If Pakistan and Afghanistan simply had governments that where not weak and corrupt(or at least much less so enough to stand on their own) it would go a long way and solve most of the problems in that part of the world.

You can put this fraction or that fraction in charge and you still come out with forceful regime ruling nuke armed country while the people are in anti west dark ages mentality.
Nuklear stick is too dangerous for them to have no matter how you look at it.

[Torplexed]

At the end of the day the majority of the supply lines to the US troops in Afghanistan go through Pakistan. So if we want our boys & girls to eat and shoot, we're stuck dealing with them certainly as long as we are in Afghanistan.

[Jimbuna]

I'd suggest cutting their aid and build closer ties with India but the question I'm asking myself is....would this push Pakistan further towards the extremists or are they already as close as they can get?

[Anthony W.]

I'm fine with people of other religions (and those with no religion - so long as they don't think less of me for having one) but there are some things I won't tolerate in religions.

If your religion says that it is your god's mission for you to kill everyone who doesn't believe in him, I won't tolerate that. If your books/scrolls/whatever else I'm not mentioning encourages the persecution of people that think differently, I'm not okay with that.

I'm a Roman Catholic. Are there things I don't like about things that have happened in the past and are going on now? Sure. Pope Gregory was a nut job (he started the Crusades). But nowhere in the New Testament does it say anything about being obligated to kill non believers.

Fact of the matter is, currently, we are at war with MUSLIM extremists. We are not at war with Christian extremists or Buddhist extremists. No bones about it, this was is being fought against members of a certain religious sect. No, the war isn't because of the religion/sect - its because of what members of it did.

Why did I post this reply? I'm not really sure. I forgot about mid way through. *Points at self* I'm with stupid, haha

[MH]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Why did I post this reply? I'm not really sure. I forgot about mid way through. *Points at self* I'm with stupid, haha

You got scared reading the last comments?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

But nowhere in the New Testament does it say anything about being obligated to kill non believers.

Is it your position that the Old Testament has absolutely no role in christanity?

[Lord_magerius]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

I'm fine with people of other religions (and those with no religion - so long as they don't think less of me for having one) but there are some things I won't tolerate in religions.

If your religion says that it is your god's mission for you to kill everyone who doesn't believe in him, I won't tolerate that. If your books/scrolls/whatever else I'm not mentioning encourages the persecution of people that think differently, I'm not okay with that.

I'm a Roman Catholic. Are there things I don't like about things that have happened in the past and are going on now? Sure. Pope Gregory was a nut job (he started the Crusades). But nowhere in the New Testament does it say anything about being obligated to kill non believers.

Fact of the matter is, currently, we are at war with MUSLIM extremists. We are not at war with Christian extremists or Buddhist extremists. No bones about it, this was is being fought against members of a certain religious sect. No, the war isn't because of the religion/sect - its because of what members of it did.

Why did I post this reply? I'm not really sure. I forgot about mid way through. *Points at self* I'm with stupid, haha

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Apart from being a catholic that is

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'd suggest cutting their aid and build closer ties with India but the question I'm asking myself is....would this push Pakistan further towards the extremists or are they already as close as they can get?

I would agree with this. I am not saying every Pakistani is a radical muslim ( I know you're not too Jim) I have Pakistani neighbours who hate what is going on, are ashamed of their religion (because of what a minority of asshats have done) and are ashamed of their fellow countrymen who believe in the stupid radical ideology. I will say though that the North West provinces of Pakistan, especially those close to the Afghan border are slowly being taken over by radical idealism. It has been a slow process, but these worms are working their way into higher governmental positions. If the rot is set from inside, how are you to know it is going on? Especially when Pakistan governs these sectors but central government really has no idea what is going on out there. These people have been in place for the last couple of decades. Changing the same with the same, don't forget 20 - 30 years ago the US supported the Taliban. All things change, people generally don't notice the more overt changes too. The louder you shout, the less people hear and the more they ignore you. Now imagine 20 years of paying close attention to a region but not really paying attention, if you know what I mean. Idiots rule and the rest of the world wonders what happened.
It's the way of things. I'm not looking for aggro from anyone after this post, so rather than the "OMFG you're an talibanz" which is usual on here, just take it as my two cents and leave it at that.