Pakistan's parliament condemns bin Laden raid

Kill them all.....

Well done MH , you have come up with the final solution.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well done MH , you have come up with the final solution.

At least is final....

At least is final....

yeah yeah you sad twisted hater of jews..or are you just being a troll again?
After all who apart from an anti semite bigot or a troll could come up with such nonsense as you seem to spout.
What is it your favourite posted link calls it?.......self hating jews
Loony bin material

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

yeah yeah you sad twisted hater of jews..or are you just being a troll again?
After all who apart from an anti semite bigot or a troll could come up with such nonsense as you seem to spout.
What is it your favourite posted link calls it?.......self hating jews
Loony bin material

WTF do you want from my Jewishness lol.
Go drink some whisky loosen up get laid smoke pot sniff glue...pray to holly mary.
Have fun...

[Stealhead]

It is much more complex than that.What happens if we did say nuke Pakistan how does China(a very close ally of Pakistan) react to this?How does Russia react to this? Two nations that can attack use with nuclear weapons at this very moment. Things are never as simple as push the button I'm afraid.Also the nukes that Pakistan has lack the range to even reach the US.But if certain factions that support the extremists could have a coup and over throw the weak government and then we are in real trouble.It is wiser to solve this issue by different means such getting the more moderate non-Taliban supporting factions in better control.Pakistan has a very weak government and that causes all the problems if we actually tried to solve this problem(which we currently do not we just give them money and hope that everything works out)If Pakistan and Afghanistan simply had governments that where not weak and corrupt(or at least much less so enough to stand on their own) it would go a long way and solve most of the problems in that part of the world this is very possible because many Pakistanis have been found to dislike the Taliban because violence caused by them has spread into much of the country so the majority of Pakistanis dislike the extremists do not believe those clips that you see of hundreds of Pakistanis protesting against the US or for the Taliban it is very common for groups to hire people to show up so most of the protestors are there because they got paid and they could care less about what they supposedly protesting.Most of the extremist support comes form outside Pakistan and they take advantage of the situation.For example in Pashtun society Imams traditionally received much less respect than tribal elders received it was the influence of outside groups "educating" young boys that gave the Imams much more power and influence.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

It is much more complex than that.What happens if we did say nuke Pakistan how does China(a very close ally of Pakistan) react to this?How does Russia react to this? Two nations that can attack use with nuclear weapons at this very moment. Things are never as simple as push the button I'm afraid.Also the nukes that Pakistan has lack the range to even reach the US.But if certain factions that support the extremists could have a coup and over throw the weak government and then we are in real trouble.It is wiser to solve this issue by different means such getting the more moderate non-Taliban supporting factions in better control.Pakistan has a very weak government and that causes all the problems if we actually tried to solve this problem(which we currently do not we just give them money and hope that everything works out)If Pakistan and Afghanistan simply had governments that where not weak and corrupt(or at least much less so enough to stand on their own) it would go a long way and solve most of the problems in that part of the world.

You can put this fraction or that fraction in charge and you still come out with forceful regime ruling nuke armed country while the people are in anti west dark ages mentality.
Nuklear stick is too dangerous for them to have no matter how you look at it.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by MH

You can put this fraction or that fraction in charge and you still come out with forceful regime ruling nuke armed country while the people are in anti west dark ages mentality.
Nuklear stick is too dangerous for them to have no matter how you look at it.

That is not necessarily true by having a more stable government it is possible that they and India can reconcile some differences nothing is impossible.Taking out there nuclear weapons in regular strikes is much more difficult than it sounds I am sure that they well expect this kind of attack as it is possible for India to attempt it.

As I said it is known that the majority of Pakistanis dislike the Taliban because it has begun to cause unrest all over the country we can use this to our advantage or do nothing and risk that the Pakistani Taliban and supporters take over and then we'd have a real ---- storm.That our find ways to get those who are more friendly to the west in power which would result in a more aggressive action aginst Taliban sanctuaries in the border region which provide aid,support,and training to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Provoking by attacking the warheads would do nothing but insure that they side fully against us and then we'd be truly screwed and merely cause our troops in Afghanistan to be grossly outnumbered and make an already bad conflict much worse.

It could also further de-stabilize the region as India could use the chance to attack Pakistan and then China who dislikes India they have fought each other before in 1962 could likely go to war with India.Make one wrong move in this region and it will be very bad news.

[Bakkels]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That is not necessarily true by having a more stable government it is possible that they and India can reconcile some differences nothing is impossible.Taking out there nuclear weapons in regular strikes is much more difficult than it sounds I am sure that they well expect this kind of attack as it is possible for India to attempt it.

As I said it is known that the majority of Pakistanis dislike the Taliban because it has begun to cause unrest all over the country we can use this to our advantage or do nothing and risk that the Pakistani Taliban and supporters take over and then we'd have a real ---- storm.That our find ways to get those who are more friendly to the west in power which would result in a more aggressive action in Taliban sanctuaries in the border region which provide aid,support,and training to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Provoking by attacking the warheads would do nothing but insure that they side fully against us and then we'd be truly screwed and merely cause our troops in Afghanistan to be grossly outnumbered in make an already bad conflict much worse.

It could also furhter de-stablize the region as India could use the chance to attack Pakistan and then China who dislikes India they have fought each other before in 1962.Make one wrong move in this region and it will be very bad news.

Yep. I can do nothing but approve.

However, what concerns me is Mh's post.

Originally Posted by mh

You can put this fraction or that fraction in charge and you still come out with forceful regime ruling nuke armed country while the people are in anti west dark ages mentality.
Nuklear stick is too dangerous for them to have no matter how you look at it.

Please elaborate. What is forceful about Pakistan's regime? What do you really know about that country? What can you tell me about it factually?
OBL is dead. Now give me one good reason why we should still interfere with Pakistan's business.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Bakkels

Please elaborate. What is forceful about Pakistan's regime? What do you really know about that country? What can you tell me about it factually?
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Dont be mad at me.....i read wikipedia

[MH]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

It could also further de-stabilize the region as India could use the chance to attack Pakistan and then China who dislikes India they have fought each other before in 1962 could likely go to war with India.Make one wrong move in this region and it will be very bad news.

You have taken this too far-dooms day
I don't think that India or China are looking for war with each other or Pakistan.
The coutries are currently too busy with themselves.

If USA can leave the region ensuring stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan then let it be.
Ten years of this war is more than enough.
If USA just packs the bags then simply it would be better for Pakistanis not to have nukes or for USA to have good plan for the country when needed.

Pakistan is a country that supports taliban then it doesn't.
Depends which direction you look-a sort of democracy.
Its messed place with nukes and weak Islamic democracy coalition where each side looks in different direction.
The money that Pakistan receives is a bribe for good behavior.

[Torplexed]

At the end of the day the majority of the supply lines to the US troops in Afghanistan go through Pakistan. So if we want our boys & girls to eat and shoot, we're stuck dealing with them certainly as long as we are in Afghanistan.

[Jimbuna]

I'd suggest cutting their aid and build closer ties with India but the question I'm asking myself is....would this push Pakistan further towards the extremists or are they already as close as they can get?

[Anthony W.]

I'm fine with people of other religions (and those with no religion - so long as they don't think less of me for having one) but there are some things I won't tolerate in religions.

If your religion says that it is your god's mission for you to kill everyone who doesn't believe in him, I won't tolerate that. If your books/scrolls/whatever else I'm not mentioning encourages the persecution of people that think differently, I'm not okay with that.

I'm a Roman Catholic. Are there things I don't like about things that have happened in the past and are going on now? Sure. Pope Gregory was a nut job (he started the Crusades). But nowhere in the New Testament does it say anything about being obligated to kill non believers.

Fact of the matter is, currently, we are at war with MUSLIM extremists. We are not at war with Christian extremists or Buddhist extremists. No bones about it, this was is being fought against members of a certain religious sect. No, the war isn't because of the religion/sect - its because of what members of it did.

Why did I post this reply? I'm not really sure. I forgot about mid way through. *Points at self* I'm with stupid, haha

[MH]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Why did I post this reply? I'm not really sure. I forgot about mid way through. *Points at self* I'm with stupid, haha

You got scared reading the last comments?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

But nowhere in the New Testament does it say anything about being obligated to kill non believers.

Is it your position that the Old Testament has absolutely no role in christanity?