I'm living in a mental asylum

[frau kaleun]

I also would have preferred to see Bin Laden arrested, brought back to the US in shackles, and tried and convicted in a court of law.

However there was never a snowball's chance in hell that he would allow himself to be taken alive, so that was not going to happen, period. I'm not gonna shed any tears over it.

[CCIP]

Personally, I see the sense in saying that "celebration" was perhaps not an appropriate reaction at all. I don't see anything to be happy about, because that's a very primitive, vengeful stance. Killing the guy isn't going to bring back the people he killed, and running around singing songs and waving banners because a guy - even a really bad guy - got a bullet in the head is, well, just a little creepy if you ask me. Or at least telling of the level of 'enlightenment' and sanity large numbers of Western people have.

I think the lawsuit is ludicrous, of course.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Personally, I see the sense in saying that "celebration" was perhaps not an appropriate reaction at all. I don't see anything to be happy about, because that's a very primitive, vengeful stance. Killing the guy isn't going to bring back the people he killed, and running around singing songs and waving banners because a guy - even a really bad guy - got a bullet in the head is, well, just a little creepy if you ask me.

I think the lawsuit is ludicrous, of course.

Well said, not shrouding, but disclosing the brighter intellects.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I also would have preferred to see Bin Laden arrested, brought back to the US in shackles, and tried and convicted in a court of law.

What planet are you living on Frau! That would never had happen even if he came out with his hands in the air yelling I surrender. Every sniper had a bullet with his name on it since 911 IMHO.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

What planet are you living on Frau!

This one, which is why I assumed he would never be "brought to justice" in any other way.

[Gerald]

Mental asylum are,we talk about general, or particular

Its a free country, if Moller wants to bring a complaint because he thinks its un-christian and the law allows it then that is his free choice.

[Rockstar]

This judges name wouldn't happen to be Roland from the People's Court would it?

[Skybird]

"The noble souls of Landsberg":A very bitter and somewhat sad comment (German sorry). And so very true and very typical for contemporary Germany.

No more words needed - and no words can describe how much I despise such scum anyway.

Germanys' soul is weak and shabby, the older I get, the more I become alienated from it'S people and the more I suffer from needing to live in this place. The landscapes are beautiful and romantic, but the mind is corrupted, and the culture is decadent and rotten.

Ten days ago or so a schoolboy was trampling on the head of a victim laying on the ground in a Berlin subway station, its all on camera, and he was kicking his victim almost to death and kicked and jumped right onto his head. Not even 24 hours after the arrest he was released again. I can't even shake my head anymore when reading the latest headlines from this madhouse. I just close my eyes and feel a fundamental frustration, sometimes even despair. The victim additonally to the state attorney filed a case of attempted murder. Many Gutmenschen complained about that he did not forgive his attacker instead and shut up, and that it is not a moral thing to accuse the attacker of attempted murder.

How much space is left until we have reached the possible maximum of perversion?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

This judges name wouldn't happen to be Roland from the People's Court would it?

No, it is "Oberstaatsanwalt" (senior state attorney?) Wilhelm Möller, Hamburg.

[CCIP]

No offense Skybird, but a) the sudden jump from protests at the Bin Laden killing to teens jumping on seniors' heads is rhetorical nonsense. What does that have to do with anything? Sure, the case over official comments on the killing of a terrorist abroad is weighed heavily by evidence of heartless delinquent behaviours at home... b) You again sound like someone yearning for, you know, that other stereotypical German alternative to decadence and moral decay

I think noone would deny there are some serious moral problems at home, but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution. So in principle, I support the taking of authorities to account on this. Maybe it will make them mind their own business - preferably with all those problems at home - better.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CCIP

No offense Skybird, but a) the sudden jump from protests at the Bin Laden killing to teens jumping on seniors' heads is rhetorical nonsense. What does that have to do with anything?

Not directly related to BL, but to the Gutmenschen insanity that rules this country and that drives people like me to frustration and despair. The latest comment I linked, The npoble souls of Landsberg, illustrates that many Germans notoriously sympathise more with the perpetrators than with their victims, it is a very old, collective sin being repeated over here again and again and again, and the more shameless it is beign done the bigger the time gap to WWII. The article I just set up gives examples from German protestors against the Allied death penalties against Nazi criminals, and that it would be inhumane, while at the same time they chased counterprotestors - Jewish survivors from wiped out Jewish fam ilies - away with calls like "Juden raus", another exmaple it gives is the immense German desire to gain insight into the moral of left terrorism and to weigh interests of the RAF terrorists as higher than the interest of its victims, an attitude that is present in the wide poublic until today - a modern movie from two years ago portrayed the RAF terrorists as modern Che Guevaras who celebrated life and freedom in a wild way that one has to find understanding for - the victims of these bastard's desire for murder were misportryed, cut short, faded out, and even the portests of their reallife offsprings were not heared in Germany, and sometimes even yelled down.

Seen that way, my lament has more to do with the courtfile against Merkel over a typical Gutmenschen idiocy (even basing on wrong quoting) then you may originally have thought.

a) the sudden jump from protests at the Bin Laden killing to teens jumping on seniors' heads is rhetorical nonsense. What does that have to do with anything?

But can't you see the link, a schoolboy got released on bail and errr....ummmmm

You again sound like someone yearning for, you know, that other stereotypical German alternative to decadence and moral decay

You cannot imply Sky is a Nazi unless he is spouting word for word third reich propoganda again.
RAF terrorists doesn't quite cut it, it should be decadent anglo-american gangster terrorbombers But I see what you mean about........

Germanys' soul is weak and shabby, the older I get, the more I become alienated from it'S people and the more I suffer from needing to live in this place. The landscapes are beautiful and romantic, but the mind is corrupted, and the culture is decadent and rotten.

But look on the bright side, those asylums are clearly letting the patients have internet access now, how progressive.

Originally Posted by CCIP

but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution.

Perfectly said!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CCIP
but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution.

Originally Posted by CCIP
but redirecting them towards hatred and taking joy in violence - even against the worst of the worst - is never the solution.

Perfectly said!

Really? Maybe not enjoying to kill, on this I would agree, but being relieved to have taken out a threat, a murderous mass murder planning new mass killings, without own casualties - what is wrong with that? It's like being relieved to have had an accident but nobody got hurt. Killing the likes of Bin Laden - for sure is a solution. And a very solid one. This is a war against religious fanatics whose preferred and primary weapon is terrorism and mass murder. We must not and we shall not regret their miserable endings. If we should have compassion, than for their victims - but that compassion is worthless if it does not motivate us to set up a determined fight against those wanting to create even more terror victims, in oder to prevent them from realising their wishes, and to take them out.

To make one thing clear once again, Merkel did not say nor meant nor expressed that she took delight from the fact of the killing itself. What she meant and by standards of German language expressed is that the was delighted by the fact that by taking out Bin Laden there is no more thread and danger projected by this man.

It needs the intention of wanting to misunderstand her words in order to describe her as dancing on the table when Bin Laden suffered death. Relief over an operation ending well, and a mass murderer beign taken out and no longer being a threat. Can't we even be relieved anymore over such an obvious thing without being demanded to endlessly relativise the criminal role of this murderer? A German radio station referred to the operation as the "killing of a 57 year old family father in Pakistan". And another became indigant over "that BL was surprised in his sleep". Such shamelessness leaves me speechless. I assume we should have send two police officers in proper formal dress, knocking at the door and handing over a writen note that he is to be arrested at 10:30 and that he please should pack some things and cloathings and then wait by the side of the street in front of his house to be picked up.

Es ist eine wunderbare Gelegenheit, den Amis das Wesen von Barbarei und Zivilisation zu erklären, den Unterschied von Rechtsstaat und Wildem Westen. Es den Cowboys und den Kulturbanausen da drüben heimzuzahlen für die Schmach von 45, die Entnazifizierung, die Umerziehung, für Hollywood, Mickey Mouse und Fast Food am Drive-in-Counter. Die sollen sich nicht so anstellen, die Amis, was sind schon 3000 Tote gegen die Verbrechen des Imperialismus? Oder auch nur die Verkehrstoten eines Jahres auf den Highways?

Allesversteher, die Selbstmordattentätern zugutehalten, dass sie gar nicht anders können, als sich in Zügen und Cafés in die Luft zu sprengen, ziehen plötzlich das Fünfte Gebot aus dem Kulturbeutel: Du sollst nicht töten! Eine gute Idee, die leider im asymmetrischen Krieg ein wenig gelitten hat.

If you can, read the German article I just linked above. I see you are in Germany, so most likely you speak German. Plenty of press quotes in there that illustrate how insane - or simply stupid? - people are over here.