The MaGui mod - Final version

[reaper7]

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

This the graphic for the square attack scope in WAC 4.1:

Realistic? I never see an attack scope of U boat in photos, the circular scope seems the real observation scope...In fact, all the propaganda photos are taken in the observation peri, it looks more "Hollywood" than the elaborated, with seat, attack peri in the conning tower.

We need an expert historian for this problem...

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

Not realistic: Here are the scope specs for the uboat optics

Attack Scope
Technical data:
Magnifications: 1,5x / 6x
Angular field of view: 38º (Low power) / 9º (High power)
Exit pupil: 3,5 mm
Tilt: +20º -15º

Obs (Sky) Scope
Magnifications: 1,5x / 6x
Angular field of view: 38º (Low power) / 9º (High power)
Exit pupil: 7mm
Tilt: +90º -10º

The image above has an Angular view that looks to be approx 42ºx60º.

[fitzcarraldo]

Originally Posted by reaper7

Not realistic: Here are the scope specs for the uboat optics

Attack Scope
Technical data:
Magnifications: 1,5x / 6x
Angular field of view: 38º (Low power) / 9º (High power)
Exit pupil: 3,5 mm
Tilt: +20º -15º

Obs (Sky) Scope
Magnifications: 1,5x / 6x
Angular field of view: 38º (Low power) / 9º (High power)
Exit pupil: 7mm
Tilt: +90º -10º

The image above has an Angular view that looks to be approx 42ºx60º.

Many thanks, Reaper!

My question- mainly - is about the design of the ocular: not square? Why this design in WAC?

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

[makman94]

Originally Posted by harryt8

Makman,

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I have somehow missed the " 360-5,3=354,7 (if target is moving from Port to Starboard )" in your documentation. Your detail now provides a working solution.

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hi Harryt8,

why do i 'smell' a little irony at this part of your post ? if i am right ...really is no need for comments like this ...if i am wrong ...i guess is one of these misunderstandings that are usual when posting to forums so forgive me.

at the theme: yes you miss that part becuase it is COMMON SENSE that you will never achieve a STRAIGHT shot to a target ,which is moving from Port to Starboard, when you 'see' him at 5,3 degrees . think a little about it and you will get it for sure !
i would suggest you (if you really like the manual targeting) one day that you will have plenty of free time ...do a big coffee ,get a paper and a pencil and try to understand exactly what angle is doing what (i always draw the situations on paper).draw lines,angles..throw papers away...at first will all seem 'mountain' but slowly ,for sure, you will get it and....(trust me on this)...there is the real beauty of manual targeting hiding. once you understand the angles ....you will really start enjoying your game....and MaGui will become then a real good partner for you.
there is no point to write tutorials like...at 'this' situation...do 'that' and 'this' situation do 'that' ...at 'this'...'that'...etc...i would still would write till today ...tutorials. the main goal ....is to understand .first understand and then...load your game !
have a look at the other tutorial for 'perfect' shots which is more complicated.there are more 'angles' there that are involved and i have provide figures that will help you to undestand the specific angles and how to handle them.

bye

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked

Still "learning" Uboat procedures.What is the green TDC on and off button for???

What do you think about having the observation scope 1.5 times larger than attack and the attack scope being much darker so that night use is affected.The observation scope was nicked the night scope due to its larger head allowing more light in....the attack head was skinnier so that daytime attacks were less noticeable.

hi Wolfstriked,
green= tdc is on updating mode...meaning it is updating its data according to scope's bearing
red= manual mode ...meaning it is not upadating.ONLY at this mode(a sh3's engine limitation) you can enter data at tdc

diameters of scopes are not made randomly ! there are reasons that scopes have these diameters

bye

[makman94]

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

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I have many books about technology and history of U Boats, and I never see an attack periscope with that ocular view.

hi Fitzcarraldo,
you mean the circular view...right?
I would not agree with you ...Hitman and Geosub1978 had confirmed that circular view at attack scopes . the first one (Hitman) have made a very big search on u-boat scopes and the second one (Geosub) is a greek officer who is currently serving the submarines(in fact ...now that i am posting this message...maybe he is looking ,right now, through a scope).
i trust these two guys way more than any book you may find . even today ...scopes(attack and obs) are like these you see in MaGui .
the only thing in which i didn't 'follow' the german scopes are the reticles . german scopes had mils (Hitman is using these reticles at his gui) but i am fun of degrees marks at reticles and made them more like the reticles that americans scopes had

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

Do you know if that square periscope view is realistic? ...

no, i believe is not realistic

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

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My question- mainly - is about the design of the ocular: not square? Why this design in WAC?
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well ...you are asking me ...why they made it 'square' in WAC ? this is a question that you must make to the author of the 'square' scope

bye

[fitzcarraldo]

Originally Posted by makman94

hi Fitzcarraldo,
you mean the circular view...right?
I would not agree with you ...Hitman and Geosub1978 had confirmed that circular view at attack scopes . the first one (Hitman) have made a very big search on u-boat scopes and the second one (Geosub) is a greek officer who is currently serving the submarines(in fact ...now that i am posting this message...maybe he is looking ,right now, through a scope).
i trust these two guys way more than any book you may find . even today ...scopes(attack and obs) are like these you see in MaGui .
the only thing in which i didn't 'follow' the german scopes are the reticles . german scopes had mils (Hitman is using these reticles at his gui) but i am fun of degrees marks at reticles and made them more like the reticles that americans scopes had



no, i believe is not realistic



well ...you are asking me ...why they made it 'square' in WAC ? this is a question that you must make to the author of the 'square' scope

bye

Thanks, Makman. Yes, I mean the circular view. That is all I want to know. Well, I will contact the WAC authors, I´m curious about the reason for that square peri...

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo

[Magic1111]

Hi Folks !

Please watch these Videos and you´ll see a Periscope-view:





Best regards,
Magic

[Wolfstriked]

Originally Posted by Magic1111

Hi Folks !

Please watch these Videos and you´ll see a Periscope-view:





Best regards,
Magic

Could be they are viewing thru the observation scope.Right next to your sec video is a link to this.

[Hitman]

Well, I will contact the WAC authors, I´m curious about the reason for that square peri...

The reason for is that they are using Church's scope mod. When that mod was created many years ago, the author did it by studying the external rectangular shape of the observation periscope lense, and concluded that the view had to be also rectangular then. However, the reason for the enlonged vertical lense is actually to allow the inner circular lense to tilt up and down and see in different angles.

I have posted here many times a picture of an authentic german WW2 observation periscope manual that shows in a diagram the reticle and what you see when looking through the periscope.

[bojan811]

Makman
First let me tell you the mod is excelent , and your tutorials are very helpful.

And not when it is said i I wanted to ask if there is a mod with a free camera that is compatible with your mod.

I treid to use a extended freecam 1.1 for gwx 3.0 mod but he disrupted the periscops.
Then i tred to put via JSGME CLAssamblage Graphic pack in which conateined the Camera mod by Croatian modder asanovic7. Free-walk/move camera in the Bridge View (using directional buttons). Free-walk interior camera inside the U-boat.
And with the open hach mod in gwx gold i get the camera file conflict with your mod and OH mod.

So what order should i use?
Becuase when i put the openhach mod firs the MAgui overwrite cameta file but my hach is still open , but a can not use Free-walk/move camera.
Is there something you can do or advise.

Thanks in advance.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by bojan811

Makman
First let me tell you the mod is excelent , and your tutorials are very helpful.

And not when it is said i I wanted to ask if there is a mod with a free camera that is compatible with your mod.

I treid to use a extended freecam 1.1 for gwx 3.0 mod but he disrupted the periscops.
Then i tred to put via JSGME CLAssamblage Graphic pack in which conateined the Camera mod by Croatian modder asanovic7. Free-walk/move camera in the Bridge View (using directional buttons). Free-walk interior camera inside the U-boat.
And with the open hach mod in gwx gold i get the camera file conflict with your mod and OH mod.

So what order should i use?
Becuase when i put the openhach mod firs the MAgui overwrite cameta file but my hach is still open , but a can not use Free-walk/move camera.
Is there something you can do or advise.

Thanks in advance.

thank you for your kind words Bojan811,
i would suggest you ,untill you understand how the jsgme tool works ,DON'T enable AFTER MaGui any mods that jsgme is warning you that its files are conflicting with MaGui's files(exept if these files are coming from MaGui's rar).simply you will ruin MaGui's installation so DON'T enable them.
about your question: there is free camera in the interior...press shift+f2
no...there is not free camera at conning tower becuase i think is totally unrealistic to 'fly' in front of conning tower (if you move forward for example...i know some likes that...i don't).
no ...you can't use any camera mod on MaGui (the changes that MaGui is doing at cameras.dat are a lot and ,all, are absolutely neseccery for MaGui to work properly)

ps: show me your mod list (without using after MaGui anything that is not included in MaGui's rar).pay attention at the installation orders in case you are using FM_NI interior or CT mods. i will send you a camera.dat with the free move at conning tower (give me one of your mail )

bye

[bojan811]

@makman
Thanks for your kind offer but for now I'm good, although it is good to know that you can always ask someone.

I just find a way to add a FM New interior 1.0 who has the free cam in u-boot(you are right about the tower free move cam- in a word stupid) + some new models for interior and most off all to make it work with your magui F.
I browse try your zip folder for magui F and when i looked a bit closer i find the things i need.

Am not so new to sh3 and all this moding but it's been more than a year since my last visit and my last sh3 patrol.

I'm glad to find all of you good people who are still here giving your 100%, your time and talent to make this game better and better over the years.

p.s.
I am still learning your tutorials regarding the Ul angles and the charts with the 0 degrees in the att per am must adimt it is a whole new world for me...and I envy you for such a knowledge
I have to look at all once more, still have not managed to process all.


Bye and thanks agian for help and great mod

[makman94]

Originally Posted by bojan811

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p.s.
I am still learning your tutorials regarding the Ul angles and the charts with the 0 degrees in the att per am must adimt it is a whole new world for me...and I envy you for such a knowledge
I have to look at all once more, still have not managed to process all.


Bye and thanks agian for help and great mod

glad you sort the 'problems' out !

a tip for the straight shots(gyro=0) tables:
most people here believe that range is not effecting the straight shots .this is totally wrong...range is always a factor even at straight (gyro=0) shots becuase of the 'torpedo tube parallax correction'.this 'correction' is less needed as target is further so when you use the straight shots table...prefer to make your shots at about 1,5-2 km and more distance to target !

bye

[bojan811]

It is one of the things that I was not clearly understood...and now i will .

regariding this if target is moving from left to right is my shooting bering the 360-bering in the top table right?

[reaper7]

Originally Posted by makman94

glad you sort the 'problems' out !

a tip for the straight shots(gyro=0) tables:
most people here believe that range is not effecting the straight shots .this is totally wrong...range is always a factor even at straight (gyro=0) shots becuase of the 'torpedo tube parallax correction'.this 'correction' is less needed as target is further so when you use the straight shots table...prefer to make your shots at about 1,5-2 km and more distance to target !

bye

Nice info, I must sit down and study these charts and method - have yet to master them

[makman94]

Originally Posted by bojan811

It is one of the things that I was not clearly understood...and now i will .

regariding this if target is moving from left to right is my shooting bering the 360-bering in the top table right?

yes tables are showing the shooting angle itself,

if you intend to shoot from bow then:
target coming from left to right : shooting bearing= 360 - table angle
target coming from right to left : shooting bearing= table angle
if you intend to shoot from stern then:
target coming from left to right : shooting bearing= 180 - table angle
target coming from right to left : shooting bearing= 180 + table angle

Originally Posted by reaper7

Nice info, I must sit down and study these charts and method - have yet to master them

i believe that you will 'love' it John ! see the video on you tube where i am using this method at attacking :

(don't see it all....from 3:12 of part2of 3 is starting the attacking procedure)