Bin Laden is dead, official

Armistead · 05-02-11, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show.

I keep hearing he's been dead for a week and others killed yesterday, which is it?

Gerald · 05-02-11, 10:45 AM

I could "guess" that he had been dead for months

mookiemookie · 05-02-11, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

I keep hearing he's been dead for a week and others killed yesterday, which is it?

Yesterday. This guy inadvertently live tweeted the whole thing:

link: http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

Kaye T. Bai · 05-02-11, 10:54 AM

Kind of fitting that the U.S.N. SEALs got the highest honor of dispatching of Osama bin Laden. I'm sure the friends and families of the sailors killed on board the U.S.S. Cole (DDG-67) are happy.

TLAM Strike · 05-02-11, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai

Kind of fitting that the U.S.N. SEALs got the highest honor of dispatching of Osama bin Laden. I'm sure the friends and families of the sailors killed on board the U.S.S. Cole (DDG-67) are happy.

No to mention that is was the Naval Command Center at the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11.

tater · 05-02-11, 10:56 AM

The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others.

Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing.

Kaye T. Bai · 05-02-11, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others. Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing.

To be clear, the operation's intent was never to capture him. The operation's focus has always been on killing him.

It sure saves all the hassle of trying him in a military or civilian court.

Armistead · 05-02-11, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others.

Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing.

Oh tater, even us that think detainees should have due process, we all know Laden is evil and guilty and enjoy the news of his death. It's when you keep unknowns without a trial it's an issue.

I would've had no problem keeping him in a prision for viewing if we could've gotten him, been good for the world to see. Course it would offend me that he would get better healthcare than millions of americans, so glad he's dead.

tater · 05-02-11, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Oh tater, even us that think detainees should have due process, we all know Laden is evil and guilty and enjoy the news of his death. It's when you keep unknowns without a trial it's an issue.

I would've had no problem keeping him in a prision for viewing if we could've gotten him, been good for the world to see. Course it would offend me that he would get better healthcare than millions of americans, so glad he's dead.

KSM was not "unknown." Nor are many of the "high value' detainees, at least no to the intel community.

Due process exists, or it doesn't. You can't say "well of course THIS guy doesn't deserve due process, after all we all know HE is guilty." Some CIA guy, or local commander can just as well "know for sure" that the guy they grabbed up is guilty, too. You cannot have an arbitrary standard.

I don't think any of them deserve due process as long as they violate the rules of war, myself. I think such rules, and the GC only really work under conditions of reciprocity.

Kill all of them.

MaddogK · 05-02-11, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

I keep hearing he's been dead for a week and others killed yesterday, which is it?

I've read a week, DNA testing and confirmation, and already buried at sea.

Gotta be a record if this only happened Sunday morning. We got Osamas son in the raid as well.

Penguin · 05-02-11, 11:08 AM

What would the US gain to fake the death, if it would be so easy to disprove?
If the death was only staged, then Osama will surely send a new message to his followers... Or, my guess, many freeloaders will announce: "I'm Osama, and my wife is, too"

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Originally Posted by tater

Hamas (aka the ruling party of "Palestine") condemns the killing of UBL.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hamas-conde...110039788.html

This was expectable...

To be balanced, the Palestinian Authorities of the West Bank approved the killing:

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"Getting rid of Bin Laden is good for the cause of peace worldwide but what counts is to overcome the discourse and the methods -- the violent methods -- that were created and encouraged by Bin Laden and others in the world," PA spokesman Ghassan Khatib said.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...laden-1.359416

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Yesterday. This guy inadvertently live tweeted the whole thing:

link: http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

Pretty funny guy:

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Osama Bin Laden killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.: ISI has confirmed it << Uh oh, there goes the neighborhood :-/

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I need to sleep, but Osama had to pick this day to die :-/

the last victim of him....

tater · 05-02-11, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

I've read a week, DNA testing and confirmation, and already buried at sea.

Gotta be a record if this only happened Sunday morning.

They buried him within 24 hours to prevent muslims being butt-hurt.

They should have waited over 24 hours on purpose. AQ should know that they'll never get a proper burial, not that we'll bend over backwards to comply with islamic law. That part was a travesty, IMO. They didn't deserve proper burial (no one in that compound is innocent).

Kaye T. Bai · 05-02-11, 11:11 AM

A fitting track dedicated to the late OBL:

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Originally Posted by tater

They buried him within 24 hours to prevent muslims being butt-hurt. They should have waited over 24 hours on purpose. AQ should know that they'll never get a proper burial, not that we'll bend over backwards to comply with islamic law. That part was a travesty, IMO. They didn't deserve proper burial (no one in that compound is innocent).

Strange thing is, if I recall correctly, Islam doesn't look too highly on burial at sea or cremation. Islamic law prefers burial on land from what I've heard.

tater · 05-02-11, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai

Strange thing is, if I recall correctly, Islam doesn't look too highly on burial at sea or cremation. Islamic law prefers burial on land.

Yeah. Apparently it's OK< but only if the person dies at sea and cannot be buried on land. So I'm glad it offends them. Hopefully the offense becomes widespread among terrorist sympathizers.

Kaye T. Bai · 05-02-11, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

Yeah. Apparently it's OK< but only if the person dies at sea and cannot be buried on land. So I'm glad it offends them. Hopefully the offense becomes widespread among terrorist sympathizers.

They should've cremated him and scattered his ashes over the ocean, but that's just me. Double the pleasure!

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	I could "guess" that he had been dead for months __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others. Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

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Kaye T. Bai Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Western Hemisphere, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster Posts: 585 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Kind of fitting that the U.S.N. SEALs got the highest honor of dispatching of Osama bin Laden. I'm sure the friends and families of the sailors killed on board the U.S.S. Cole (DDG-67) are happy.