Bin Laden is dead, official - Page 8

Skybird · 05-02-11, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

To what end and or use would it be to make such a story?

To porvoke Al Quaeda to give away hints by bringing a new video snippet. To give Obama a success story short before the 9/11 memorial this year. To distract5 from the fact how helpless the US is meeting the turmoil in Arab countries currently. To distract from the financial crisis and debt burden, the bad numbers from the employement market. To provoke any step by Al Quaeda that could be exploited or used in the propaganda war.

I hope the genetic test has been made not by the US military, but an independant source. Else it will be put into question in the Arab world, where they will prefer to show the photo of the dead face and sayiong "This man? It could be just anybody! How do you know this was OBL?"

If there was such genetic test, the uS would be well advised to publish it and make it as transparent and well-documented as possible. Else they will continue to fight against OBL - inside people'S head for whom he is still alive.

joegrundman · 05-02-11, 10:12 AM

name fail, or is this wishful thinking by the daily telegraph?

tater · 05-02-11, 10:12 AM

They should have dumped him in the ATO, well after 24 hours had passed. This "muslim burial" crap is just that, crap. All the rhetoric from both Bush and Obama revolves around the nonsensical notion of "hijacked" Islam. If OBL was not a "real" muslim, but a "hijacker" no one should have expected a proper burial. They should have made a point of waiting over 24 hours, then unceremoniously dumped him at sea mixed with the other trash.

Onkel Neal · 05-02-11, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Without a doubt, there will be more brainwashed scum wanting to step into Bin Ladin's shoes, and more attacks by terrorists in days to come...

... and today's events will, without a doubt be debated until we all draw our last breath...

... and the tree of freedom will no doubt be further nourished with the blood of brave soldiers and citizens...

HOWEVER, Bin Ladin did not escape. Today, good prevailed over evil.

To all men and women who serve the cause of freedom, and their communities, THANK YOU!

TODAY... IS A GOOD DAY!!!

Well said, Todd. Well said.

And don't get sucked into a debate with some sour ass fools* who see so many shades of grey they're virtually blind to reality.

*Not pointed at anyone in particular.

mr chris · 05-02-11, 10:18 AM

Top target down.
Now lets be relentless on working are way down the hit list.

Hats off to the forces on the raid on a job well done.

Gerald · 05-02-11, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pisces

I couldn't care less to be honest.

Some part of me feels he should have been on trial for what he did.

Another part of me is sad he won't get the chance to enjoy the 'room service' at Guantanamo Bay.

But both parts of me don't want to see him becomming a martyr because of it.

So for once, both of these fishes agree and are happy and with the Status Quo.

Salute to the forces involved!

"Another part of me is sad he won't get the chance to enjoy the 'room service' at Guantanamo Bay" there had been a good idea.My previous post about the fish was a "joke" which I still think you understand,

tater · 05-02-11, 10:19 AM

Yeah, the message is that we don't ever stop. You will be hunted as long as it takes to kill you. Next in line steps up... he's next.

They should put all their heads on spikes (near the low tide mark if it's the Navy again

)

MH · 05-02-11, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

To porvoke Al Quaeda to give away hints by bringing a new video snippet. To give Obama a success story short before the 9/11 memorial this year. To distract5 from the fact how helpless the US is meeting the turmoil in Arab countries currently. To distract from the financial crisis and debt burden, the bad numbers from the employement market. To provoke any step by Al Quaeda that could be exploited or used in the propaganda war.

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So you believe that what ever is done in WH will aways stay in the house.
Regardless how many people where involved?

US government probably can and will realize confirmation but i don't think it will stop anyone from doubting the prof if they want so.
US is not Stalinist country that you can come up with such a bright idea and then have all involved shot.
I'm not saying that every thing is always spotless clean.

Well done US.
I hope the ****er died slowly and in pain.

Catfish · 05-02-11, 10:24 AM

It is strange though, that a terrorist movement gives itself the name "database"

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.
Wayne Madsen Report

"I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .
"Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.
"For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'
"In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.
"It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.
"[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."
"In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.
"In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.
"These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.
"Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.
"Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.
Meet "Al Qaeda"
"Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.
" . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.
" Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."
In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.
French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel

Skybird · 05-02-11, 10:24 AM

CNN, the LA Times and Der Spiegel report the photos of the dead Bin Laden are forged and infact date back to the years 1998 and 2009. People inside the Pentagon should have indicated that real photos of the dead body exist, but have not been published so far.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...760104,00.html

tater · 05-02-11, 10:29 AM

Hamas (aka the ruling party of "Palestine") condemns the killing of UBL.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hamas-conde...110039788.html

MaddogK · 05-02-11, 10:29 AM

Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show.

AVGWarhawk · 05-02-11, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

To porvoke Al Quaeda to give away hints by bringing a new video snippet.

Really? Let's put peoples lives on the line to get a snippet?

tater · 05-02-11, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show.

Huh? It was this weekend. The raid was ~1am May 1 local time.

Gerald · 05-02-11, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

CNN, the LA Times and Der Spiegel report the photos of the dead Bin Laden are forged and infact date back to the years 1998 and 2009. People inside the Pentagon should have indicated that real photos of the dead body exist, but have not been published so far.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...760104,00.html

This type of damage that can see through them any "self-manipulating" images, clearly show a direct blast effect as well can each of the older character, and a indication of a strong external force

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joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	name fail, or is this wishful thinking by the daily telegraph? __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	They should have dumped him in the ATO, well after 24 hours had passed. This "muslim burial" crap is just that, crap. All the rhetoric from both Bush and Obama revolves around the nonsensical notion of "hijacked" Islam. If OBL was not a "real" muslim, but a "hijacker" no one should have expected a proper burial. They should have made a point of waiting over 24 hours, then unceremoniously dumped him at sea mixed with the other trash. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

05-02-11, 10:18 AM	#110
mr chris Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Herefordshire, England Posts: 3,562 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	Top target down. Now lets be relentless on working are way down the hit list. Hats off to the forces on the raid on a job well done. __________________

05-02-11, 10:19 AM	#112
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, the message is that we don't ever stop. You will be hunted as long as it takes to kill you. Next in line steps up... he's next. They should put all their heads on spikes (near the low tide mark if it's the Navy again ) __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

05-02-11, 10:24 AM	#115
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	CNN, the LA Times and Der Spiegel report the photos of the dead Bin Laden are forged and infact date back to the years 1998 and 2009. People inside the Pentagon should have indicated that real photos of the dead body exist, but have not been published so far. http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...760104,00.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-02-11, 10:24 AM	#114
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	It is strange though, that a terrorist movement gives itself the name "database" Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence. Wayne Madsen Report "I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . . "Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment. "For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.' "In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs. "It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network. "[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base." "In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat. "In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium. "These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida. "Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world. "Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages. Meet "Al Qaeda" "Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician. " . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries. " Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them. "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money." In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Hamas (aka the ruling party of "Palestine") condemns the killing of UBL. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hamas-conde...110039788.html __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

05-02-11, 10:29 AM	#117
MaddogK XO Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 409 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show. __________________ May fortune favor the foolish