Donald Trump made Obama release his birth certificate

[Bakkels]

Originally Posted by August

I will admit that the thought of "President Trump" scares the bejesus out of me!

He would probably rename the White House the Trump House.
Airforce One would become Airforce Trump, New York would become New Trump; it would all become really confusing

[Rockstar]

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hmm. Okay, I'll admit to finding that one even a bit too esoteric for me.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Bakkels

He would probably rename the White House the Trump House.
Airforce One would become Airforce Trump, New York would become New Trump; it would all become really confusing

at least we would still be able to play card games and certain brass instruments...

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I suggest you read the law involving citizenship requirements before you tell people what's what. One parent is sufficient if that parent lived in the United States for the required period of time.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...ship_5199.html

Wrong link ?
"Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad"


Fail Steve.

[Armistead]

I think Obama was just waiting so Trump would look like a bigger idiot than he is. I doubt Trump or Palin would run, but wouldn't that be a ticket for the ages, Obama wouldn't even have to campaign.

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

at least we would still be able to play card games and certain brass instruments...

"My President Trumps your President!"

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by August

"My President Trumps your President!"

But a Full House and Senete will do nothing but Strait Flush your tax dollars down the drain.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Wrong link ?
"Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad"


Fail Steve.

You said flatly that to be "natural born" requires two citizen parents. That link clearly shows that only one of them has to be a citizen. How exactly does you being wrong equal me failing?

[Growler]

Originally Posted by August

Y'know I've always believed that Obama was born in the US like he and the State of Hawaii have said he was, and I still do, but I have to wonder why he has at this late date finally decided to release the original?

It seems to me that this just shows a lack of good judgment on his part.

He could have put this whole thing to bed years ago, long before it became entrenched. That would have been the smartest thing to do. But now having allowed so much time to pass it serves no purpose except to make people doubt it's authenticity.

Imagine if the Bush administration had released film footage it had been sitting on for three years which showed without a doubt that it was Flight 77, and not a missile, that plowed into the Pentagon on 9-11. Think any of those inside job conspiracy theorists would believe it? Think it's possible that a few on the fencers might become suspicious at the tardiness of it's release?

I do NOT doubt that Obama is qualified to be President but I now have a little less confidence in his ability to be a good President.

I can't speak for the White House, but my thought was this:

If a claim, in the minds of the White House, is so far out in left field that the guys making the claim are in a whole different ballpark, what do you have to gain by engaging them in the game?

In other words, why bother even lending the illusion of a token of credibility to an absurd claim by denying it? I'm not sure that rationale wasn't already in play; the whole, "We don't negotiate with terrorists," angle.

Either that, or they just didn't think it really was that important enough to enough people to warrant action; I'm not sure that it was this time, either, but with the Donald's hair behind this one, people were going to notice.

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You said flatly that to be "natural born" requires two citizen parents. That link clearly shows that only one of them has to be a citizen. How exactly does you being wrong equal me failing?

Are you saying Barry was born abroad ?

[nikimcbee]

I'm willing to risk it all on Trump, just for the part on the swearing in day, to have him sit in the chair, point at BHO and say:"You're fired!"

[razark]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Are you saying Barry was born abroad ?

So if one is born abroad, one must only have one US citizen parent, but if one is born in the US, both parents must be citizens?

Huh?

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by razark

So if one is born abroad, one must only have one US citizen parent, but if one is born in the US, both parents must be citizens?

Huh?

The Constitution requires that a candidate for President of the United States be a "natural-born citizen". According to the US Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual: "the fact that someone is a natural born citizen (citizen at birth) pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."[29]

The majority opinion by Justice Horace Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark observed that:

The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words ["citizen" and "natural born citizen"], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'[4]



The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were "free white persons" of "good moral character". It thus left out indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and later Asians. While women were included in the act, the right of citizenship did "not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States...." Citizenship was inherited exclusively through the father. This was the only statute that ever purported to grant the status of natural born citizen.

John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[13]
notice the plural statement 'parents' ?
He reiterated his statement in 1866:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.[14]


This is the question the courts haven't answered. They've refused to hear the case 8 times so far. But as to SS post- I still havent seen the revelance of the rules regarding children born abroad to this discussion. please explain.

[August]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

This is the question the courts haven't answered. They've refused to hear the case 8 times so far. But as to SS post- I still havent seen the revelance of the rules regarding children born abroad to this discussion. please explain.

He's not claiming that Obama was born abroad.