Donald Trump made Obama release his birth certificate

[razark]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Are you saying Barry was born abroad ?

So if one is born abroad, one must only have one US citizen parent, but if one is born in the US, both parents must be citizens?

Huh?

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by razark

So if one is born abroad, one must only have one US citizen parent, but if one is born in the US, both parents must be citizens?

Huh?

The Constitution requires that a candidate for President of the United States be a "natural-born citizen". According to the US Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual: "the fact that someone is a natural born citizen (citizen at birth) pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."[29]

The majority opinion by Justice Horace Gray in United States v. Wong Kim Ark observed that:

The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words ["citizen" and "natural born citizen"], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'[4]



The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were "free white persons" of "good moral character". It thus left out indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and later Asians. While women were included in the act, the right of citizenship did "not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States...." Citizenship was inherited exclusively through the father. This was the only statute that ever purported to grant the status of natural born citizen.

John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[13]
notice the plural statement 'parents' ?
He reiterated his statement in 1866:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.[14]


This is the question the courts haven't answered. They've refused to hear the case 8 times so far. But as to SS post- I still havent seen the revelance of the rules regarding children born abroad to this discussion. please explain.

[August]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

This is the question the courts haven't answered. They've refused to hear the case 8 times so far. But as to SS post- I still havent seen the revelance of the rules regarding children born abroad to this discussion. please explain.

He's not claiming that Obama was born abroad.

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by August

He's not claiming that Obama was born abroad.

So why'd he post the laws granting citizenship to children born abroad ?
And where in those posted laws does it say anything about 'natural born' citizenship ?

[razark]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

So why'd he post the laws granting citizenship to children born abroad ?

Someone posted about needing two parents for "natural born citizenship".

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Natural born by definition means born of 2 citizen parents.

The law mentioned shows only one is needed (for one born outside the US). If only one is needed for one born outside the US, I think we can dispense with needing two for someone born in the US.

Originally Posted by MaddogK

And where in those posted laws does it say anything about 'natural born' citizenship ?

That phrase has not been defined in US law.

[August]

Razark answers it nicely.

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by razark

Someone posted about needing two parents for "natural born citizenship".
yup- me

The law mentioned shows only one is needed (for one born outside the US). If only one is needed for one born outside the US, I think we can dispense with needing two for someone born in the US.
assumption that it applies here, BUT consider citizenship is granted to a child born here with ZERO citizen parents.(illegal aliens)

That phrase has not been defined in US law.
WILL have to be addressed per above

'natural born' has a specific meaning with regards to the constitution.

[razark]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

'natural born' has a specific meaning with regards to the constitution.

Please state that meaning, and the source.

[Onkel Neal]

One thing is for sure, the media is really trying to take Trump apart. Every title I see about him tries desperately to slant him as a fringe candidate. Hey, maybe he has a real chance! Now you may say, he is a fringe candidate. Yeah, but so was Obama, and he got elected.

Honestly, i think the whole birth issue, is veiled or coded racism. If he was a white guy, nobody would question his citizenship.

He's just as much white as he is black, my friend. It's old style racist to call someone black just because part of their ancestry is black.

[AVGWarhawk]

Trump has a snowballs chance in the desert. He will only prove to be a distraction.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

He's just as much white as he is black, my friend. It's old style racist to call someone black just because part of their ancestry is black.

Really, history shows otherwise, anyone that was half black and white were always considered black and until recent years most were treated worse. In most cultures, including America, a half breed of any race was considered worse.

[Onkel Neal]

Yep, and like I pointed out, that was old style racism.