What happened to kids these days? - Page 2

Armistead · 04-22-11, 02:24 PM

Well, I'm against spankings in school, I just don't trust them to do it. My daughter is 23 now with a previous wife. When she was in the 4th grade she wouldn't tell on a friend and took the blame and the male principle paddled her. She had on sort of a short dress in the style kids wore and she got home hours later and large red marks still showed. She said he made her bend over and he no doubt saw panty and spanked bare skin way too hard.

I went to the school, I was furious and probably threatening when I walked into the office. The principles office was towards the back with large glass windows. He wouldn't come out. I threw a typewriter through the glass, in fact it took a few times and I got through, took his paddle off the wall and knocked the **** out of him on his arse. He's lucky I didn't beat the crap out of him with it. Course other male teachers and coaches came in, but I was all words then, looked worse than it was, cops came, I was arrested.

It caused quite a stir, was in the evening news, all that crap. We filed charges against the principle. I was still charged with assault. Lawyer also sued the school system. The principle wasn't charged in court which was BS, but on his own or forced later resigned.

Not saying I was right, but she was bruised for weeks. He didn't have a witness which broke the rules, so I think he was a perv. I was very angry that the judge just gave him a stern lecture.

Platapus · 04-22-11, 03:04 PM

What happened to kids these days?

I think it is the conservative’s fault. All they preach is fear, everyone is our enemy, everyone is jealous of us, you are either with us or against us is making our kids feel that violence is the only way.

Platapus · 04-22-11, 03:04 PM

What happened to kids these days?

I think it is the liberal’s fault. No one wants to discipline their children, everything is about personal freedom, everything is someone else’s fault are making our kids not accept personal responsibility

Platapus · 04-22-11, 03:05 PM

What happened to kids these days?

I think it is the Moderate’s fault. Their position of everything in balance, post modernism, no absolute right and wrong, let’s evaluate each situation separately is making our kids too wishy washy

onelifecrisis · 04-22-11, 03:17 PM

I don't have kids yet but, well, me and my girl have plans...

Anyway I'm really not sure where I stand on beatings. I certainly don't want anyone else hitting my children, that's for sure. But I'm not sure whether I should. I can't help thinking there are better ways, but that theory is yet to be tested.

It's actually illegal for a parent to hit a child here in the UK, but if I ever do decide to hit my child I won't let that law stop me. If the kid threatens to call social services there's a simple response:
"Go ahead. They'll put you in care and I won't have to deal with you doing [insert whatever bad thing they've done here]."

Platapus · 04-22-11, 03:21 PM

Russell Peters

Schroeder · 04-22-11, 03:25 PM

@Armistead
Job well done!

Corporal punishment in schools and other institution has to be like a beacon for pervs to apply for those jobs.

Growler · 04-22-11, 03:38 PM

GoldenRivet · 04-22-11, 03:42 PM

I asked my mother once when i was about 18 years old i said "Mom... why is the world becoming such a terrible place?"

her answer was simple and poignant

"Son... the world has always been a terrible place, if not more so than it is today... the difference between now and when i was a kid is than now, every little shooting, stabbing, robbery and murder makes the news. and the news has countless outlets today - whereas compared to my growing up, we didnt even own a TV until i was about 15 years old. now days, every place you look the news of something terrible happening is right in our faces. if anything the world is not getting more terrible, its just getting a lot smaller."

Growler · 04-22-11, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I asked my mother once when i was about 18 years old i said "Mom... why is the world becoming such a terrible place?"

her answer was simple and poignant

"Son... the world has always been a terrible place, if not more so than it is today... the difference between now and when i was a kid is than now, every little shooting, stabbing, robbery and murder makes the news. and the news has countless outlets today - whereas compared to my growing up, we didnt even own a TV until i was about 15 years old. now days, every place you look the news of something terrible happening is right in our faces. if anything the world is not getting more terrible, its just getting a lot smaller."

Wisdom in these words.

Jimbuna · 04-22-11, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, I'm against spankings in school, I just don't trust them to do it. My daughter is 23 now with a previous wife. When she was in the 4th grade she wouldn't tell on a friend and took the blame and the male principle paddled her. She had on sort of a short dress in the style kids wore and she got home hours later and large red marks still showed. She said he made her bend over and he no doubt saw panty and spanked bare skin way too hard.

I went to the school, I was furious and probably threatening when I walked into the office. The principles office was towards the back with large glass windows. He wouldn't come out. I threw a typewriter through the glass, in fact it took a few times and I got through, took his paddle off the wall and knocked the **** out of him on his arse. He's lucky I didn't beat the crap out of him with it. Course other male teachers and coaches came in, but I was all words then, looked worse than it was, cops came, I was arrested.

It caused quite a stir, was in the evening news, all that crap. We filed charges against the principle. I was still charged with assault. Lawyer also sued the school system. The principle wasn't charged in court which was BS, but on his own or forced later resigned.

Not saying I was right, but she was bruised for weeks. He didn't have a witness which broke the rules, so I think he was a perv. I was very angry that the judge just gave him a stern lecture.

Not condoning what you did but I will admit I may well have acted in a similar fashion.

At the very least you probably saved other children suffering the same treatment in the future.

MaddogK · 04-22-11, 04:48 PM

Too many violent video games maybe ?

Growler · 04-22-11, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK

Too many violent video games maybe ?

magic452 · 04-22-11, 05:09 PM

My two kids were very much like Armistead's.
For my son a couple of firm but not hard swats on the back side were enough. Mission accomplished, maybe had to do this three or four times when he saw little.

My daughter was immune to swats but a little time in the bedroom and you would think it was a torture chamber.

A spanking is one thing, someone used the word "beating", that is something else, no one should ever beat a child. The trick is knowing where the line is.

The punishment MUST fit the crime and every situation is different.
The idea of punishing and child is to teach the child right from wrong behavior, not to extract revenge by the parent. What works for one child might not be best for another and what works this time might not be right next time. The idea is to teach the child that there are consequences for their actions.

When I was about 9 or 10 I shot out a big window with a BB gun by accident. Two months of extra chores to pay for the window.
I learned two lessons, First windows are expressive and two always make sure you have a safe back drop when you are shooting.

When I was in school in the 50's corporal punishment was allowed. I felt many a ruler across the knuckles in my time. The problem with this system is it is very open to the kind of abuse that Armistead referred to and I can't say I support it today.

Magic

Platapus · 04-22-11, 05:14 PM

I completely agree that kids should not be beaten like I was when I was a kid.

But the other extreme is equally wrong.

A kid should always know that the parent is CHOOSING not to hit the kid, but should never feel that the parent CAN'T hit the kid. There is a world of difference

I think that because of the over reaction of some child "protection" services that some kids are being brought up thinking that the parent can never even spank them.

04-22-11, 03:04 PM	#17
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	What happened to kids these days? I think it is the conservative’s fault. All they preach is fear, everyone is our enemy, everyone is jealous of us, you are either with us or against us is making our kids feel that violence is the only way. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	What happened to kids these days? I think it is the liberal’s fault. No one wants to discipline their children, everything is about personal freedom, everything is someone else’s fault are making our kids not accept personal responsibility __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	What happened to kids these days? I think it is the Moderate’s fault. Their position of everything in balance, post modernism, no absolute right and wrong, let’s evaluate each situation separately is making our kids too wishy washy __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-22-11, 03:17 PM	#20
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I don't have kids yet but, well, me and my girl have plans... Anyway I'm really not sure where I stand on beatings. I certainly don't want anyone else hitting my children, that's for sure. But I'm not sure whether I should. I can't help thinking there are better ways, but that theory is yet to be tested. It's actually illegal for a parent to hit a child here in the UK, but if I ever do decide to hit my child I won't let that law stop me. If the kid threatens to call social services there's a simple response: "Go ahead. They'll put you in care and I won't have to deal with you doing [insert whatever bad thing they've done here]." __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Russell Peters __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-22-11, 02:24 PM	#16
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Well, I'm against spankings in school, I just don't trust them to do it. My daughter is 23 now with a previous wife. When she was in the 4th grade she wouldn't tell on a friend and took the blame and the male principle paddled her. She had on sort of a short dress in the style kids wore and she got home hours later and large red marks still showed. She said he made her bend over and he no doubt saw panty and spanked bare skin way too hard. I went to the school, I was furious and probably threatening when I walked into the office. The principles office was towards the back with large glass windows. He wouldn't come out. I threw a typewriter through the glass, in fact it took a few times and I got through, took his paddle off the wall and knocked the **** out of him on his arse. He's lucky I didn't beat the crap out of him with it. Course other male teachers and coaches came in, but I was all words then, looked worse than it was, cops came, I was arrested. It caused quite a stir, was in the evening news, all that crap. We filed charges against the principle. I was still charged with assault. Lawyer also sued the school system. The principle wasn't charged in court which was BS, but on his own or forced later resigned. Not saying I was right, but she was bruised for weeks. He didn't have a witness which broke the rules, so I think he was a perv. I was very angry that the judge just gave him a stern lecture.

04-22-11, 03:25 PM	#22
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	@Armistead Job well done! Corporal punishment in schools and other institution has to be like a beacon for pervs to apply for those jobs. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

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04-22-11, 03:42 PM	#24
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I asked my mother once when i was about 18 years old i said "Mom... why is the world becoming such a terrible place?" her answer was simple and poignant "Son... the world has always been a terrible place, if not more so than it is today... the difference between now and when i was a kid is than now, every little shooting, stabbing, robbery and murder makes the news. and the news has countless outlets today - whereas compared to my growing up, we didnt even own a TV until i was about 15 years old. now days, every place you look the news of something terrible happening is right in our faces. if anything the world is not getting more terrible, its just getting a lot smaller." __________________

04-22-11, 04:48 PM	#27
MaddogK XO Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago, Ill. Posts: 409 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Too many violent video games maybe ? __________________ May fortune favor the foolish

04-22-11, 05:09 PM	#29
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	My two kids were very much like Armistead's. For my son a couple of firm but not hard swats on the back side were enough. Mission accomplished, maybe had to do this three or four times when he saw little. My daughter was immune to swats but a little time in the bedroom and you would think it was a torture chamber. A spanking is one thing, someone used the word "beating", that is something else, no one should ever beat a child. The trick is knowing where the line is. The punishment MUST fit the crime and every situation is different. The idea of punishing and child is to teach the child right from wrong behavior, not to extract revenge by the parent. What works for one child might not be best for another and what works this time might not be right next time. The idea is to teach the child that there are consequences for their actions. When I was about 9 or 10 I shot out a big window with a BB gun by accident. Two months of extra chores to pay for the window. I learned two lessons, First windows are expressive and two always make sure you have a safe back drop when you are shooting. When I was in school in the 50's corporal punishment was allowed. I felt many a ruler across the knuckles in my time. The problem with this system is it is very open to the kind of abuse that Armistead referred to and I can't say I support it today. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

04-22-11, 05:14 PM	#30
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,384 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I completely agree that kids should not be beaten like I was when I was a kid. But the other extreme is equally wrong. A kid should always know that the parent is CHOOSING not to hit the kid, but should never feel that the parent CAN'T hit the kid. There is a world of difference I think that because of the over reaction of some child "protection" services that some kids are being brought up thinking that the parent can never even spank them. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.