The proposed 2012 budget...

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Twice as many Republicans voted against it than for it.

Better check your math.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Better check your math.

Fair enough mookie. You've managed to ignore and derail the point for so long that you've caught me in a technicality. Good for you.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Fair enough mookie. You've managed to ignore and derail the point for so long that you've caught me in a technicality. Good for you.

I suppose we disagree on the pertinent part of the discussion. I'm less willing to lump all members of a party into a narrowly defined category, whereas I get the impression that you would like to paint them both with a broad brush.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

yes but on oct. 1, 2008, who was in control of the White House? Whose administration went running to Congress saying they had to give $700 billion to Wall Street RIGHT NOW! or the world as we know it would collapse.

a REPUBLICAN administration came up with TARP and shoved it down Congress's throat. It's a bit disingeneous to try to lay all this on the laps of the Democrats.

Exactly, Thats the dagger, the Bush administration Liked the idea! they championed it! and who signed it into law? Bush! This wasn't some evil bill drafted up by democrats, it was a bill backed by a conservative white house, and voted on with bipartisan support, and is arguably one of the most bipartisan bills in a long time.

I don't think Mookie was derailing the point at all, sorry August thats a lame Ad hominem defense> the writing is on the wall with Tarp, with almost as many republicans voting for it than against AND Bush backing and proposing the bill it's obvious.

[August]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

yes but on oct. 1, 2008, who was in control of the White House? Whose administration went running to Congress saying they had to give $700 billion to Wall Street RIGHT NOW! or the world as we know it would collapse.

So what you're saying is that after years of contradicting and disparaging every single word that came out of Bush's mouth suddenly these skeptical Democrats are given to take his lame duck word at face value even though his own party was against it?

All that says to me is the Democrats are so incompetent that they'd make their decisions based on how much it sticks it to their political opponents, not what is good for the country.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

So what you're saying is that after years of contradicting and disparaging every single word that came out of Bush's mouth suddenly these skeptical Democrats are given to take his lame duck word at face value even though his own party was against it?

All that says to me is the Democrats are so incompetent that they'd make their decisions based on how much it sticks it to their political opponents, not what is good for the country.

what about all the republicans who voted for it? It kinda helps your argument when you ignore that doesn't it?

also, it makes it ok for bush to propose the bill just because he was a lame duck? get real.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

All that says to me is the Democrats are so incompetent that they'd make their decisions based on how much it sticks it to their political opponents, not what is good for the country.

Not disagreeing with that as that's politics, but do you honestly think they hold the monopoly on that either?

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

what about all the republicans who voted for it? It kinda helps your argument when you ignore that doesn't it?

See post #145. I'm ignoring nothing.

also, it makes it ok for bush to propose the bill just because he was a lame duck? get real.

Get real yourself pal. Bush might have proposed the bill but it's your party who actually crafted the legislation and your party who passed it and your party who must therefore defend it. Trying to shuffle the blame off on the Republicans just wont wash. It didn't wash in 2010 and it won't wash in 2012.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not disagreeing with that as that's politics, but do you honestly think they hold the monopoly on that either?

I have no patience with anyone who puts their political party first, Dem, Repub or Other.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

I have no patience with anyone who puts their political party first, Dem, Repub or Other.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

Get real yourself pal. Bush might have proposed the bill but it's your party who actually crafted the legislation and your party who passed it and your party who must therefore defend it. Trying to shuffle the blame off on the Republicans just wont wash. It didn't wash in 2010 and it won't wash in 2012.

who signed it into law? there is such a thing as a veto

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

who signed it into law? there is such a thing as a veto

So your whole argument is that the Democrats were fooled by Bush? In 2008? That although you guys had spent previous 8 years repeatedly telling yourselves and the country ad nauseum how stupid and evil George was he still managed to snooker you out of nearly a trillion bucks in his last year in office?

I can't think of a more blatant indictment on the fitness of the Democratic party to lead this nation.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

So your whole argument is that the Democrats were fooled by Bush? In 2008? That although you guys had spent previous 8 years repeatedly telling yourselves and the country ad nauseum how stupid and evil George was he still managed to snooker you out of nearly a trillion bucks in his last year in office?

I can't think of a more blatant indictment on the fitness of the Democratic party to lead this nation.

no, but you try to ignore the fact that your party is just as responsible for TARP as we are. Which paints your current budget "crusade" in a pretty hypocritical light. Especially when your party kept voting to pay and pay and pay for a worthless war started on false pretenses.

but then again, this current anti spending obsession isn't about the budget. It's pure political Posturing to try and get elected. I expect to see the republicans cut scores of programs for the middle class while giving more money to the military industrial complex, Rich, and Corporations, In a time where everybody should be pulling their own tax weight. I also expect them trying to paint all of this as being in the bes interest for the people they just screwed over.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

...this current anti spending obsession isn't about the budget. It's pure political Posturing to try and get elected.

Yeah well that belief cost your party control of the House of Representatives last year and it's going to cost you the US Senate next year, maybe even the White House and I say good riddance to all of you.

Meanwhile Gitmo prison remains open, your party has started a whole new war on a completely different continent. They have offered to keep our troops in Iraq past their own deadline. They are continuing the war in Afghanistan and all you Dems can do is whine about how terrible the evil Republicans are. Not much of a platform for success I must say.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah well that belief cost your party control of the House of Representatives last year and it's going to cost you the US Senate next year, maybe even the White House and I say good riddance to all of you.

Not a belief. Arguing over 1.5% of the budget and painting it like it's the panacea to all of our nation's debt problems can't be anything BUT politics. You honestly think it's fiscal responsibility? Please tell me you're not that gullible.