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[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

I'm not ignoring anything mookie, just getting tired of the constant hypocrisy of the left in this country.

Ask yourself:
Who controlled Congress when TARP was enacted?
What has been the most common fate of the Blue Dogs who voted against TARP?

91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it. Neither side holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

91 Republicans voted for it and 63 Dems against it. Neither side holds the monopoly on hypocrisy.

If you're going to try and make a point Mookie then tell the whole story instead of cherry picking:

October 1, 2008 TARP Tally
House of Representatives - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes: 173 Democrats, 91 Republicans = 264 Ayes
Nays: 63 Democrats, 108 Republicans = 171 Nays
435 Total Votes

October 1, 2008 TARP tally
Senate - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes 38 Democrats 35 Republicans 1 Independent = 74 Ayes
Nays 10 Democrats 15 Republicans 1 Independent = 25 Nays
Not Voting 1

In both houses of Congress more Republicans voted against TARP than voted for it by wide margins.

In both houses of Congress more Democrats voted for TARP than voted against it, again by wide margins.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

If you're going to try and make a point Mookie then tell the whole story instead of cherry picking:

October 1, 2008 TARP Tally
House of Representatives - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes: 173 Democrats, 91 Republicans = 264 Ayes
Nays: 63 Democrats, 108 Republicans = 171 Nays
435 Total Votes

October 1, 2008 TARP tally
Senate - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes 38 Democrats 35 Republicans 1 Independent = 74 Ayes
Nays 10 Democrats 15 Republicans 1 Independent = 25 Nays
Not Voting 1

In both houses of Congress more Republicans voted against TARP than voted for it by wide margins.

In both houses of Congress more Democrats voted for TARP than voted against it, again by wide margins.

The point is you keep saying "controlled by Democrats" like that means that it was the big bad Democrat party that voted as a whole in lockstep for the ultimate destruction of our fair nation, every one of them voting yea, and the valiant Republicans mustered an ultimately futile defense, every one of them voting nay.

It didn't happen that way, but yet you refuse to admit that in the face of the facts. THAT'S the point.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The point is you keep saying "controlled by Democrats" like that means that it was the big bad Democrat party that voted as a whole in lockstep for the ultimate destruction of our fair nation, every one of them voting yea, and the valiant Republicans mustered an ultimately futile defense, every one of them voting nay.

It didn't happen that way, but yet you refuse to admit that in the face of the facts. THAT'S the point.

You know what control of Congress entails Mookie.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

You know what control of Congress entails Mookie.

Not every Democrat voted for TARP. Not every Republican voted against it.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not every Democrat voted for TARP. Not every Republican voted against it.

So what?

Twice as many Democrats voted for it than against it.
Twice as many Republicans voted against it than for it.

Those are the important facts here.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Twice as many Republicans voted against it than for it.

Better check your math.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by August

If you're going to try and make a point Mookie then tell the whole story instead of cherry picking:

October 1, 2008 TARP Tally
House of Representatives - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes: 173 Democrats, 91 Republicans = 264 Ayes
Nays: 63 Democrats, 108 Republicans = 171 Nays
435 Total Votes

October 1, 2008 TARP tally
Senate - Controlled by Democrats:
Ayes 38 Democrats 35 Republicans 1 Independent = 74 Ayes
Nays 10 Democrats 15 Republicans 1 Independent = 25 Nays
Not Voting 1

In both houses of Congress more Republicans voted against TARP than voted for it by wide margins.

In both houses of Congress more Democrats voted for TARP than voted against it, again by wide margins.

yes but on oct. 1, 2008, who was in control of the White House? Whose administration went running to Congress saying they had to give $700 billion to Wall Street RIGHT NOW! or the world as we know it would collapse.

a REPUBLICAN administration came up with TARP and shoved it down Congress's throat. It's a bit disingeneous to try to lay all this on the laps of the Democrats.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

yes but on oct. 1, 2008, who was in control of the White House? Whose administration went running to Congress saying they had to give $700 billion to Wall Street RIGHT NOW! or the world as we know it would collapse.

a REPUBLICAN administration came up with TARP and shoved it down Congress's throat. It's a bit disingeneous to try to lay all this on the laps of the Democrats.

Exactly, Thats the dagger, the Bush administration Liked the idea! they championed it! and who signed it into law? Bush! This wasn't some evil bill drafted up by democrats, it was a bill backed by a conservative white house, and voted on with bipartisan support, and is arguably one of the most bipartisan bills in a long time.

I don't think Mookie was derailing the point at all, sorry August thats a lame Ad hominem defense> the writing is on the wall with Tarp, with almost as many republicans voting for it than against AND Bush backing and proposing the bill it's obvious.

[August]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

yes but on oct. 1, 2008, who was in control of the White House? Whose administration went running to Congress saying they had to give $700 billion to Wall Street RIGHT NOW! or the world as we know it would collapse.

So what you're saying is that after years of contradicting and disparaging every single word that came out of Bush's mouth suddenly these skeptical Democrats are given to take his lame duck word at face value even though his own party was against it?

All that says to me is the Democrats are so incompetent that they'd make their decisions based on how much it sticks it to their political opponents, not what is good for the country.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

So what you're saying is that after years of contradicting and disparaging every single word that came out of Bush's mouth suddenly these skeptical Democrats are given to take his lame duck word at face value even though his own party was against it?

All that says to me is the Democrats are so incompetent that they'd make their decisions based on how much it sticks it to their political opponents, not what is good for the country.

what about all the republicans who voted for it? It kinda helps your argument when you ignore that doesn't it?

also, it makes it ok for bush to propose the bill just because he was a lame duck? get real.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

what about all the republicans who voted for it? It kinda helps your argument when you ignore that doesn't it?

See post #145. I'm ignoring nothing.

also, it makes it ok for bush to propose the bill just because he was a lame duck? get real.

Get real yourself pal. Bush might have proposed the bill but it's your party who actually crafted the legislation and your party who passed it and your party who must therefore defend it. Trying to shuffle the blame off on the Republicans just wont wash. It didn't wash in 2010 and it won't wash in 2012.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

Get real yourself pal. Bush might have proposed the bill but it's your party who actually crafted the legislation and your party who passed it and your party who must therefore defend it. Trying to shuffle the blame off on the Republicans just wont wash. It didn't wash in 2010 and it won't wash in 2012.

who signed it into law? there is such a thing as a veto

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

All that says to me is the Democrats are so incompetent that they'd make their decisions based on how much it sticks it to their political opponents, not what is good for the country.

Not disagreeing with that as that's politics, but do you honestly think they hold the monopoly on that either?

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Not disagreeing with that as that's politics, but do you honestly think they hold the monopoly on that either?

I have no patience with anyone who puts their political party first, Dem, Repub or Other.