"American workers got what they deserved"

Skybird · 04-08-11, 01:53 PM

I hear a brother-in-soul complaining in that article, it reminds me of what I have written in the past about establishments and keeping their self-tailored rules alive by constantly pledging loyalty to them and voting for them even when voting for a different party - the system they live by you nevertheless legitimise by parcticipating in it - the vote actually have given, is almost not important.

It is also about egoism and short-sightedness. Just today or yesterday a major German newspaper published the findings of a study that revealed that although most Germans expressed stellar distrust into the euro and the EU and expect that their pensions will suffer dramatically and that before they reach that age their social security payments will explode - they refuse to see the link between that and the state'S debts and social payment burdens, and their own unlimited expectation that the state nevertheless should nruse and care for the citizen, almost without limits. The expectations towards thje state are still limitless, nbody thinks about consequences to be drawn, nobody sees the links between the higher outcome, and his individual demands - and his personal tolerance for any obviously malfunctioning system that additionally does its best to kill itself.

Beotonov is right, what the article says in principal is nothing limited to Americans, but describes basic mechanism at work in Europe as well. It is something international, not something American.

AVGWarhawk · 04-08-11, 02:06 PM

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Platapus · 04-08-11, 02:23 PM

I have not been able to find a bio for Ray Buursma. What is his education concerning economics and what is his experience?

In short, why would I pay any more attention to his opinions than I would anyone else's here in the GT?

His article was not written in any scholarly way that would give me, as the reader, any confidence in his credibility.

So to Mr. Buursma, thanks for posting your opinion, but if you were trying to persuade or educate me, you failed.

I sure hope the Holland Sentential did not pay him for this.

Skybird · 04-08-11, 02:38 PM

The author has not claimed to have produced an academic paper. What he did is giving a chain of thoughts.

Let's be pragmatic. So what decides the worth of it is not his repuation so much, but whether it makes sense or not what he tries to argue. To me, he is just pointing out the obvious.

And plain sane reason sometimes is of more value than the alternative realaties the academic spirit can get itself entangled in - in quite often in modern times, it seems to me, because the scientific business community is being haunted by corruption itself.

TorpX · 04-08-11, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

It is also about egoism and short-sightedness. Just today or yesterday a major German newspaper published the findings of a study that revealed that although most Germans expressed stellar distrust into the euro and the EU and expect that their pensions will suffer dramatically and that before they reach that age their social security payments will explode - they refuse to see the link between that and the state'S debts and social payment burdens, and their own unlimited expectation that the state nevertheless should nruse and care for the citizen, almost without limits. The expectations towards thje state are still limitless, nbody thinks about consequences to be drawn, nobody sees the links between the higher outcome, and his individual demands - and his personal tolerance for any obviously malfunctioning system that additionally does its best to kill itself.

I agree. Americans are unhappy with the results of high taxes, over regulation and wasteful gov't spending, but many nevertheless vote for bigger gov't and more programs/spending. It seems an almost psychotic inability to correlate actions with their results.

I am frequently reminded of a quote these days by Arnold J. Toynbee (not exact words): great civilizations do not die by natural causes; they commit suicide.

04-08-11, 01:53 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I hear a brother-in-soul complaining in that article, it reminds me of what I have written in the past about establishments and keeping their self-tailored rules alive by constantly pledging loyalty to them and voting for them even when voting for a different party - the system they live by you nevertheless legitimise by parcticipating in it - the vote actually have given, is almost not important. It is also about egoism and short-sightedness. Just today or yesterday a major German newspaper published the findings of a study that revealed that although most Germans expressed stellar distrust into the euro and the EU and expect that their pensions will suffer dramatically and that before they reach that age their social security payments will explode - they refuse to see the link between that and the state'S debts and social payment burdens, and their own unlimited expectation that the state nevertheless should nruse and care for the citizen, almost without limits. The expectations towards thje state are still limitless, nbody thinks about consequences to be drawn, nobody sees the links between the higher outcome, and his individual demands - and his personal tolerance for any obviously malfunctioning system that additionally does its best to kill itself. Beotonov is right, what the article says in principal is nothing limited to Americans, but describes basic mechanism at work in Europe as well. It is something international, not something American. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-08-11, 02:06 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,262 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Welcome to "Global Economy 101". Every worker around the world is encouraged to kick their own arse as often as they like or until outsourced..... __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-08-11, 02:23 PM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I have not been able to find a bio for Ray Buursma. What is his education concerning economics and what is his experience? In short, why would I pay any more attention to his opinions than I would anyone else's here in the GT? His article was not written in any scholarly way that would give me, as the reader, any confidence in his credibility. So to Mr. Buursma, thanks for posting your opinion, but if you were trying to persuade or educate me, you failed. I sure hope the Holland Sentential did not pay him for this. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-08-11, 02:38 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The author has not claimed to have produced an academic paper. What he did is giving a chain of thoughts. Let's be pragmatic. So what decides the worth of it is not his repuation so much, but whether it makes sense or not what he tries to argue. To me, he is just pointing out the obvious. And plain sane reason sometimes is of more value than the alternative realaties the academic spirit can get itself entangled in - in quite often in modern times, it seems to me, because the scientific business community is being haunted by corruption itself. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.