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gimpy117 04-08-11 09:28 AM

"American workers got what they deserved"
 
A nice article from a local paper, just about 60 miles from here. Nice city.

but anyways, Poignant information. Might be more of a statement, but what he says still has truth to it.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/opini...-they-deserved

August 04-08-11 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1638452)
but what she says still has truth to it.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/opini...-they-deserved


Ray Buursma is a he not a she.

and

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Yet you continue to elect leaders who offer nothing but tax cuts, as if that would stem the flow of disappearing jobs.
Apples and oranges. Withholding those tax cuts would not have prevented those jobs from moving overseas.

Betonov 04-08-11 09:36 AM

This is international, not just american.
Try living in a former communist state, when everyone thinks the goverment will provide like it did 30 years ago.

gimpy117 04-08-11 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1638455)
Ray Buursma is a he not a she.

and

wow august...i have a typo and you go for the jugular. you went from 0-kill it with fire pretty darn fast

also, fixed

August 04-08-11 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1638471)
wow august...i have a typo and you go for the jugular. you went from 0-kill it with fire pretty darn fast

also, fixed


Typo? The S is nowhere near the H on my keyboard but then again i'm a greedy evil conservative. Your liberal keyboards are probably laid out differently. :DL

I'd be far more interested in reading your response to the rest of my post however.

Would higher taxes have saved any of those jobs as the author implies?

Growler 04-08-11 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1638541)
Would higher taxes have saved any of those jobs as the author implies?

Higher taxes save jobs?

No wonder we've been doing it wrong.

gimpy117 04-08-11 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1638541)
Would higher taxes have saved any of those jobs as the author implies?

if they were tariffs and duties yes

Skybird 04-08-11 01:53 PM

I hear a brother-in-soul complaining in that article, it reminds me of what I have written in the past about establishments and keeping their self-tailored rules alive by constantly pledging loyalty to them and voting for them even when voting for a different party - the system they live by you nevertheless legitimise by parcticipating in it - the vote actually have given, is almost not important.

It is also about egoism and short-sightedness. Just today or yesterday a major German newspaper published the findings of a study that revealed that although most Germans expressed stellar distrust into the euro and the EU and expect that their pensions will suffer dramatically and that before they reach that age their social security payments will explode - they refuse to see the link between that and the state'S debts and social payment burdens, and their own unlimited expectation that the state nevertheless should nruse and care for the citizen, almost without limits. The expectations towards thje state are still limitless, nbody thinks about consequences to be drawn, nobody sees the links between the higher outcome, and his individual demands - and his personal tolerance for any obviously malfunctioning system that additionally does its best to kill itself.

Beotonov is right, what the article says in principal is nothing limited to Americans, but describes basic mechanism at work in Europe as well. It is something international, not something American.

AVGWarhawk 04-08-11 02:06 PM

Welcome to "Global Economy 101". Every worker around the world is encouraged to kick their own arse as often as they like or until outsourced.....:DL

Platapus 04-08-11 02:23 PM

I have not been able to find a bio for Ray Buursma. What is his education concerning economics and what is his experience?

In short, why would I pay any more attention to his opinions than I would anyone else's here in the GT?

His article was not written in any scholarly way that would give me, as the reader, any confidence in his credibility.

So to Mr. Buursma, thanks for posting your opinion, but if you were trying to persuade or educate me, you failed. :nope:

I sure hope the Holland Sentential did not pay him for this.

Skybird 04-08-11 02:38 PM

The author has not claimed to have produced an academic paper. What he did is giving a chain of thoughts.

Let's be pragmatic. So what decides the worth of it is not his repuation so much, but whether it makes sense or not what he tries to argue. To me, he is just pointing out the obvious.

And plain sane reason sometimes is of more value than the alternative realaties the academic spirit can get itself entangled in - in quite often in modern times, it seems to me, because the scientific business community is being haunted by corruption itself.

August 04-08-11 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1638655)
if they were tariffs and duties yes

That's debatable but the author wasn't talking about tariffs and duties.

Growler 04-08-11 04:30 PM

I'm still waiting for the answer to my question. How does higher taxes create jobs?

When it costs more to do business, the consumer ALWAYS foots the bill.

MaddogK 04-08-11 05:23 PM

Like tariffs would work.

These foreign companies have skirted this for years- they move here and produce overseas, then ship it back here as they're 'domestic', they're NOT importing nuthin if the company headquarters are HERE.

Suckers.

August 04-08-11 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddogK (Post 1638824)
Like tariffs would work..

Right. Tariffs and duties weren't working which is why they went with this free trade business.


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