US Libya legislative hypocrisy....

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Slyguy3129

I suppose yet again you take issue with something I've said? Try as I might you and I just don't get along do we?

My point is that like many others here, you make pronouncements concerning what is wrong with our country, yet you can't even use your own language properly. It's not what you said, it's how you failed to say it.




My other point is that Haplo, who if I remember correctly is an acknowledged Conservative, took his own side to task for wanting it both ways and being more concerned with being right than with doing anything worthwhile, is answered with a string of posts that had nothing to do with what he said. It's not often that the OT starts with post #2, and not one person addresses the OP.

I'm not being cranky, believe it or not. I just found it funny.

[Bilge_Rat]

I have had a chance to look into this a bit more and I really dont see the issue or any contradiction with President Obama's previous position:

1. the issue in 2003 was the fact that President Bush was committing the USA to unilateral action without UN authority:

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack...;s_Iraq_Speech

In 2011, you have a specific UN resolution and a broad international coalition;



2. President Obama has fulfilled all of the requirements under the War Powers Act of 1973:

http://www.thecre.com/fedlaw/legal22/warpow.htm

sec. 5 (a) only requires the President to report to the speaker (Bohner), which was done last friday, and the president of the Senate (Biden).

sec. 5 (b) then provides that he has 60 days to either cease military action or obtain authorization from Congress.



You really have to look at this from a skewed partisan viewpoint to see a problem..

[MaddogK]

What a hash up. What a confused and disingenuous stew of hypocrisy and stupidity.

Apparently we are now functioning as close air support for Libyan Rebels comprised of elements of the Muslim Brotherhood and quite possibly Al Qaeda. US Planes flying in support of one of the major contributors to the foreign fighters in Iraq.

Way to go Man Child.

WASHINGTON -- The United States welcomed a partial handover for the Libyan air campaign to NATO, but the allies apparently balked at assuming full control and the U.S. military was left in charge of the brunt of combat.

NATO agreed on Thursday to take over command of the newly established no-fly zone over Libya, protective flights meant to deter Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi from putting warplanes in the air. That leaves the U.S. with responsibility for attacks on Gadhafi's ground forces and other targets, which are the toughest and most controversial portion of the operation.

The U.S had hoped the alliance would reach a consensus Thursday for NATO to take full control of the military operation authorized by the United Nations, including the protection of Libyan civilians and supporting humanitarian aid efforts on the ground. It was not immediately clear when the allies could reach agreement on the matter.

"We are taking the next step: We have agreed along with our NATO allies to transition command and control for the no-fly zone over Libya to NATO," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said.

"All 28 allies have also now authorized military authorities to develop an operations plan for NATO to take on the broader civilian protection mission," Clinton said.

Lines of authority were unclear Thursday night, but it appeared the NATO decision sets up dual command centers and opens the door to confusion and finger-pointing. U.S. commanders would presumably be chiefly responsible for ensuring that the NATO protective flights do not conflict with planned combat operations under U.S. command.

The Pentagon indicated U.S. warplanes will keep flying strike missions over Libya.

In The Meantime China and Russia Warn Of All Out War (Over US Involvement in Libya) FROM EU Times ((WITH VIDEO OF CHINESE WARSHIPS OFF THE COAST OF LIBYA)
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/03/china...omment-page-1/

Is it time to run yet ?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

In The Meantime China and Russia Warn Of All Out War (Over US Involvement in Libya) FROM EU Times ((WITH VIDEO OF CHINESE WARSHIPS OFF THE COAST OF LIBYA)
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/03/china...omment-page-1/

Is it time to run yet ?

Hooray for mankind!

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My point is that like many others here, you make pronouncements concerning what is wrong with our country, yet you can't even use your own language properly. It's not what you said, it's how you failed to say it.




My other point is that Haplo, who if I remember correctly is an acknowledged Conservative, took his own side to task for wanting it both ways and being more concerned with being right than with doing anything worthwhile, is answered with a string of posts that had nothing to do with what he said. It's not often that the OT starts with post #2, and not one person addresses the OP.

I'm not being cranky, believe it or not. I just found it funny.

90% of my post on a given day are from my iphone when I'm one break and having a cig. Which means they are hurried and my iphone tends to out think itself and correct what I have said, and most of the time I'm in to much of a hurry to catch or correct it.

Heck I texted a friend the other day who told me he got the rent house he had bid for. I texted him, "That's Awesome!", what did my iphone autocorrect and send instead, "That's Caesar". Perhaps my "smart"phone has grown a sense of humor for itself, while annoying that had both of us in stitches for the better part of the work day, its also now an inside joke within our group. If something is cool or "awesome" we say that's Caesar. Mark my words that will be the new fad!

Back on topic though. Perhaps this thing in Libya is the spark that is going to ignite WW3? The assassination of the Austrian Duke, The Invasion of Poland, The Intervention in Libya?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Slyguy3129

90% of my post on a given day are from my iphone when I'm one break and having a cig.

Okay, you win!

I've heard of that disease, and it really does trump all.

Back on topic though. Perhaps this thing in Libya is the spark that is going to ignite WW3? The assassination of the Austrian Duke, The Invasion of Poland, The Intervention in Libya?

Okay, now you're scaring me...

You and me both brother, cause if there is a WW3 then that means we are going to have to draft. I've got prior and I'm still young.

But as have happened other times in the last 100 years, hope against hope that cooler heads will prevail.

[gimpy117]

well, at least this time is a UN operation, and no some crazy "were gonna go on a lone rampage in the middle east" like last time. UN calls for a no fly zone, We are a large part of the UN, Obvious that we lend a hand.

Ah how fondly I remember the "rampage through the middle east" I took, and how happy alot of people were when I was there, in the fact that we were there.

Gee funny how perspectives can change.

[CaptainHaplo]

OK I may make a thread do discuss the legality of the libya action.

TY to Sailor Steve who recognized what I was saying:

Politicians are still playing politics in Washington, good - bad or ugly - when we have things they should be doing.

Disagree with what we are doing in libya, congress? Defund it.

Agree with it? Then shut up with all the whining.

Have a problem with how it was done, raise the true legal issue that exists.

Don't just castigate a guy for "not doing the job" and then yell that he did it wrong when he did what you wanted him to.

Yes, Obama is being hypocritical since he slammed his predecessor for the same thing. However, he is now sitting at the big boy table and has a clearer understanding than he did from his 1 seat out of a hundred in the senate.

But the left and the right both - on the legislative side - are continuing to do the same thing - wasting time with self serving whining instead of focusing on the issues at hand.

Goes to show why we should R.E.N.O (Re-Elect No One).

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Goes to show why we should R.E.N.O (Re-Elect No One).

When in doubt
Vote em out!