(WIP) Destabilizing the deck gun in SH 5

Rongel · 03-04-11, 05:11 AM

I decided to make a new thread about this to get some attention. The deck gun (and the deck gun zoom-view) has been somewhat succesfully destabilized by modders in previous SH-games and I think it's time to try it here. This is propably the best way to make the over-powered deck gun more realistic.

I've been studying the old SH 4-threads and tried to mimic their solutions, but I have hit a dead end. These two threads are a great help. They tell the story of a few brave modders (especially Sammi79 & kv29) who decide to make impossible possible against all odds, and succeed in it! Truly inspirational (

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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sho...d.php?t=117430
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=168872

This comment by Sammi79 seems to hold the key to success:

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The change involves editing the .dat file for each individual gun model, rearrangeing the hierachy somewhat specifically the camera positions are moved to different parent objects. Then Cameras.dat must be edited to set the actual positions of the deckgun cameras as they are no longer following their original position, also the movecannon parameter "lookathorizon" must be set to false. These fixes keep the zoomed sight level with the boat at all times.

The .sim file for each gun model must also be edited so the speed of the turrets elevation is too low to keep up with the pitch/roll of the boat (0.2 or less), this is AFAIK the best way to negate the gun auto levelling.

Now I have already succeeded in 2/4 of the tasks,

1. changed movecannon parameter "lookathorizon" to FALSE
2. changed Deck_Gun_GE88mm.sim elevation to 0.2

But this I don't get, when I change lookathorizon to false, the zoom camera goes on the opposite side of the deck gun, so that I can only see the gunner spinning the deck gun wheel. I need to position the camera on the opposite side, but don't know how! So how to reposition the zoom camera view, any suggestions? Any veterans from these threads lurking around?

By the way, changing the elevation speed much slower already makes the aiming more challenging and fun!

charognard · 03-04-11, 06:58 AM

Great news

Can you disable deck gun by bad weather too in your mod ?

Rongel · 03-04-11, 08:48 AM

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Great news

Can you disable deck gun by bad weather too in your mod ?

It's still far away from a proper mod, and I'm not yet sure if it's going to work. If somebody knows how to change the camera location, I think it should be possible to make this work as well as in SH 4. But no, this doesn't restrict bad weather deck gunning. You can still man the guns, but hitting anything in a storm is going to be REALLY difficult!

Rongel · 03-06-11, 06:04 AM

I see that this hasn't got too much attention

... Well, I understand that there are more exciting big things happening at the same time. Anyway, as this really bugs me, I ask again help:

How to edit camera position in SH 5?

I just need to flip deck gun camera 180 degrees. Nothing else. Any help is much appreciated!

Bilge_Rat · 03-06-11, 02:36 PM

You should check the mods that have done this in sh3/4 to see what they changed. That may give you an idea.

Rongel · 03-06-11, 03:26 PM

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You should check the mods that have done this in sh3/4 to see what they changed. That may give you an idea.

Hi and thanks for reply! Oh yes I've been wasting hours studying SH 3/SH 4 unstabilization mods, reading old threads and so on. This camera problem seems to be totally new thing, nobody had reported it earlier. Furthermore The Goblin editor is different than SH 3 editor, so I can't do all the same things.

What is frustrating is that I even know how to move the camera in the X,Y,Z coordinates but don't know how to rotate it! So close!

Sammi79 · 03-24-11, 04:15 AM

I've been offline for a few weeks, any progress on this so far

regards,
Sam.

Feuer Frei! · 03-24-11, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rongel

But no, this doesn't restrict bad weather deck gunning. You can still man the guns, but hitting anything in a storm is going to be REALLY difficult!

Interesting, i didn't know that you could fire in bad weather

Been in plenty of stormy weather and my deck gun crew have always been washed overboard! Or too scared to fire, with 'battle stations' on and fire free on.
Good luck with this mod, would love to see it come to fruition

Rongel · 03-24-11, 04:22 PM

This is currently on hold

. I managed to destabilize the cannon using lowered elevation value (or stabilize less to be correct), but the zoom view is still magically locked to the horizon line! I will return to this if I have more time and some pointers. It seems that what was possible in SH 4, isn't anymore in SH 5.

I still might do a little "more realistic deck gun mod" which would include this lowered elevation value, new graphics to the zoom view and lowered damage (as some crucial mods double the damage as well).

Rubini · 03-12-12, 01:19 PM

Like these ones?

Rongel · 03-12-12, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubini

Like these ones?

Wowzer!

You did it? It works, any side effects?

I still remember all the hours i banged my head against the wall with this... Great work Rubini!

Details please

Rubini · 03-12-12, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rongel

Wowzer!

You did it? It works, any side effects?

I still remember all the hours i banged my head against the wall with this... Great work Rubini!

Details please

No, isn´t working correctly (yet at least). I was able to destabilized it but...or the camera is fixed and just the cannon moves, or the camera moves and the cannon is fixed. I guess that is just a matter to find a best (and correct) cameras nodes sequence(hierarchie)...I was very tired, late night, when i achieve the above some days ago. We can work on it again. I will try to find my files and will post here for our discussion.

Rongel · 03-13-12, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubini

No, isn´t working correctly (yet at least). I was able to destabilized it but...or the camera is fixed and just the cannon moves, or the camera moves and the cannon is fixed. I guess that is just a matter to find a best (and correct) cameras nodes sequence(hierarchie)...I was very tired, late night, when i achieve the above some days ago. We can work on it again. I will try to find my files and will post here for our discussion.

Yes, I think that the hierarchy is the key point. Just basicly a lot of testing...
If I have time I could also look into this, when I first tried this I didn't know anything about modding...

Adriatico · 03-13-12, 07:30 AM

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally, someone has tackled this problem!

I just can't believe that this "immersion breaker" was not in the spotlight of moding community earlier.

Best wishes for your work

...and keep us informed on progress.

03-14-12, 06:56 PM

Interesting thread.

Before GWX 2 or 3? We tested a VERY unstable Deck Gun mod I did.
We turned it down as we felt many would not like the whole feel of it.
It seems your looking for the same effect or close to it.
I'm pretty sure I deleted the files but I'll see if I can find more info for you, or try to remember what I did.

03-04-11, 06:58 AM	#2
charognard Navy Dude Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 171 Downloads: 201 Uploads: 0	Great news Can you disable deck gun by bad weather too in your mod ? __________________ Gwx 3.0 / Rbs1_SH4_Effects_GWX_30_71 / Water Stream for Uboats / REAL U-505 item graphics for slide-out compass / SH3 Commander 3.2 /SH3 Commander Config files for GWX 3.0

03-06-11, 06:04 AM	#4
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	How to edit camera position in SH 5? I see that this hasn't got too much attention ... Well, I understand that there are more exciting big things happening at the same time. Anyway, as this really bugs me, I ask again help: How to edit camera position in SH 5? I just need to flip deck gun camera 180 degrees. Nothing else. Any help is much appreciated!

03-06-11, 02:36 PM	#5
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	You should check the mods that have done this in sh3/4 to see what they changed. That may give you an idea. __________________

03-12-12, 01:19 PM	#10
Rubini Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: São Paulo Brazil Posts: 2,728 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Like these ones? __________________ One gamer's must-have mod is another gamer's waste of time. -Sailor Steve

03-13-12, 07:30 AM	#14
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally, someone has tackled this problem! I just can't believe that this "immersion breaker" was not in the spotlight of moding community earlier. Best wishes for your work ...and keep us informed on progress. __________________

03-24-11, 04:15 AM	#7
Sammi79 XO Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Penzance Posts: 428 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	I've been offline for a few weeks, any progress on this so far regards, Sam.

03-24-11, 04:22 PM	#9
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	This is currently on hold . I managed to destabilize the cannon using lowered elevation value (or stabilize less to be correct), but the zoom view is still magically locked to the horizon line! I will return to this if I have more time and some pointers. It seems that what was possible in SH 4, isn't anymore in SH 5. I still might do a little "more realistic deck gun mod" which would include this lowered elevation value, new graphics to the zoom view and lowered damage (as some crucial mods double the damage as well).

03-14-12, 06:56 PM	#15
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Interesting thread. Before GWX 2 or 3? We tested a VERY unstable Deck Gun mod I did. We turned it down as we felt many would not like the whole feel of it. It seems your looking for the same effect or close to it. I'm pretty sure I deleted the files but I'll see if I can find more info for you, or try to remember what I did.