A new urban flight causing problems in Detroit.

If that is your real world I suggest a new world for you.

Why? I traveled widely chasing the best money and now I can sit back and relax.
But thats just me, I am lucky, other people have mortages on increrasingly devalued houses and lack the flexibility or reserves to just get up and pack off elsewhere.

Sorry, I do not know anyone in this 'real world' situation you describe.

Maybe you should get out and about more.

It looks like a defeatist attitude to me.

Far from it.

You look at worst case senario. I look at best case. Some just refuse to look.

Isn't it funny how much your "best case" has echoes the very complaints of the "bad case" made in the opening piece.
Its sorta reminiscent to put it back in great depression days of the locals attacking people who had migrated to better areas looking for work and burning people out who were sleeping rough just while they looked for employment.
You seem to be sugar coating reality AVG to make it more palatable

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Why? I traveled widely chasing the best money and now I can sit back and relax.
But thats just me, I am lucky, other people have mortages on increrasingly devalued houses and lack the flexibility or reserves to just get up and pack off elsewhere.


Maybe you should get out and about more.


Far from it.


Isn't it funny how much your "best case" has echoes the very complaints of the "bad case" made in the opening piece.
Its sorta reminiscent to put it back in great depression days of the locals attacking people who had migrated to better areas looking for work and burning people out who were sleeping rough just while they looked for employment.
You seem to be sugar coating reality AVG to make it more palatable

I find your argument in this thread increasing invalid.

But thats just me, I am lucky, other people have mortages on increrasingly devalued houses and lack the flexibility or reserves to just get up and pack off elsewhere.

Sure you can walk away from the mortgage. People are doing it everyday and finding other places to live. The contract for the home states if a certain amount of money is paid per month for a certain amount of years that person can live in the home. The home is soley owned by this person if the payments are met in full. Everyone has the flexability to up and leave with little recourse from the bank. You are left with a mark on your record but as we find it makes little difference. I personally know one that has done this. So as far as getting out in the real world..I live it everyday with my mortgage, business levels dropping, children and all the other plethora of bills associated. I don't sugar coat a thing. I guess you just missed the post were I have done the losing the job not once but twice. The credit hole.

Its sorta reminiscent to put it back in great depression days of the locals attacking people who had migrated to better areas looking for work and burning people out who were sleeping rough just while they looked for employment.

I have know idea how you construed this from anything I have posted. Enjoy your day.

[gimpy117]

Thats how It is armistead...america throws many people under the bus.
I see a lot of people that seem decent, but are in hard times and wonder what happened.

I see homeless who are obviously mentally Ill, and I wonder...why is nobody helping them?

I see 75 year olds working at Meijer and i wonder...why are they working? do they just love it? or paying for pills?

Then I see people in your unfortunate situation, people who are throwing bake sales and benefits to get over illness, flat broke because they're sick.

America Throws these people under the bus, and people in the ghetto are not different. Why does this happen? Because theres no money to be made, no profit margin for time and kindness to help somebody less fortunate than you, no investment return on that homeless man who needed mental care, no dividends from that man who was sick. I think somewhere along the line money got in the way of somebody doing the decent thing.

[Armistead]

Well Gimp, my post was too long for most to read, but I've lived it.

Most wear blinders and look at what they refer to as lazy people taking advantage, not looking at the facts that a larger majority are people with illness. Before the economic meltdown caused by corporations getting rich, over 62% of bankruptcies were due to illness, with most having medical insurance in the beginning, a large percentage middle class.

When you get a serious chronic illness, you'll soon find yourself in serious trouble. Our healthcare is based on mass profits from insurance, to pharma, to overpriced medical care and if you find yourself seriously ill, you'll soon see you don't fit into the profit plan.

Some should look at facts.
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/hea...ankruptcy.html

[the_tyrant]

@armistead
I read you long post, thats an amazing story you have there
how are you now? Is your disease cured?

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

@armistead
I read you long post, thats an amazing story you have there
how are you now? Is your disease cured?

No, there is no cure per say. It was called RSD when I got it, more referred to as CRPS now. What happens is a person gets an injury, this sends pain signals to the brain, but for the unlucky few the brain misfires sending pain signals all over the body and nerve death sets in. It's considered the most painful disease known to man, often called the suicide disease.

The only way I could explain it was a frozen burn, like setting outside naked in freezing weather until the cold turns into severe burn, like painful frostbite, cept you can never go inside to get warm. You feel on fire. Mine went systemic, over 80% of my body.

If they figure it out early, they can do nerve blocks and stop it, but it's missed 90% of the time. Usually it takes 5 years before most get a dx.

I keep count, I've had 17 friends over the last seven years commit suicide that were in a few support groups around here. Most give up when pushed into total poverty and lose medical care. Shame, with the proper treatment and pain meds, most live in severe pain, but they can bare it, but you need lot's of money and good medical insurance to get correct help. Just a few months ago I went to check on a man in our group that wouldn't answer his phone. I already knew. Got to his house, door unlocked, found him in the bathtub, shot himself through the heart. Also found out he had been cooking hard dogfood mixed with flour to eat.

There are hundreds of thousands that suffer from such nerve diseases. Most end up in utter poverty and pain, many can't handle both. The fact is these people are discarded by our society. Sadly, strong narcotics are cheap, Neurologist aren't, so many do without.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Armistead

No, there is no cure per say. It was called RSD when I got it, more referred to as CRPS now. What happens is a person gets an injury, this sends pain signals to the brain, but for the unlucky few the brain misfires sending pain signals all over the body and nerve death sets in. It's considered the most painful disease known to man, often called the suicide disease.

The only way I could explain it was a frozen burn, like setting outside naked in freezing weather until the cold turns into severe burn, like painful frostbite, cept you can never go inside to get warm. You feel on fire. Mine went systemic, over 80% of my body.

If they figure it out early, they can do nerve blocks and stop it, but it's missed 90% of the time. Usually it takes 5 years before most get a dx.

I keep count, I've had 17 friends over the last seven years commit suicide that were in a few support groups around here. Most give up when pushed into total poverty and lose medical care. Shame, with the proper treatment and pain meds, most live in severe pain, but they can bare it, but you need lot's of money and good medical insurance to get correct help. Just a few months ago I went to check on a man in our group that wouldn't answer his phone. I already knew. Got to his house, door unlocked, found him in the bathtub, shot himself through the heart. Also found out he had been cooking hard dogfood mixed with flour to eat.

There are hundreds of thousands that suffer from such nerve diseases. Most end up in utter poverty and pain, many can't handle both. The fact is these people are discarded by our society. Sadly, strong narcotics are cheap, Neurologist aren't, so many do without.

I don't know what to say.
Well good luck

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I don't know what to say.
Well good luck

Hehe, wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard that...

I never want pity or sorrow, just wish people would see how failed the system is instead of dealing with it by blaming others without looking at the facts. I have a hard time hearing CEO's of insurance corps, pharma, ect.. getting 15 million dollar bonuses while some poor sick person kills themselves cause they can't afford a Doctor's visit. I'm all for profit, but when corps buy our government to provide mass profit returns over health care, sucks, but that's the american way.
but I'm sure the CEO's wife needs another pair of $5000 shoes.

In the midst of a deep economic recession, America's health insurance companies increased their profits by 56 percent in 2009, a year that saw 2.7 million people lose their private coverage. If you think that's capitalism, good luck, the facts prove it's corporate american buying regulation to make them rich over basic medical care.

Sad to say, I was much the same way before.

[gimpy117]

that story makes me sad on so many levels. America, the richest country in the world, lets our citizens go untreated, and reduced to eating dog food to stay alive.

you are right, the profit based system we have is no way to deal with health. A persons health is a basic need and something that you could almost say is a right. Profit vs. care for a patient will always end up generating conflicts of interest. I too also believe that capitolsim, with some restrictions is a much better system than some form of communism, but making profits on somebody's basic need for health isn't really something i stand for, for the reason of conflict of interest i stated before.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

that story makes me sad on so many levels. America, the richest country in the world, lets our citizens go untreated, and reduced to eating dog food to stay alive.

you are right, the profit based system we have is no way to deal with health. A persons health is a basic need and something that you could almost say is a right. Profit vs. care for a patient will always end up generating conflicts of interest. I too also believe that capitolsim, with some restrictions is a much better system than some form of communism, but making profits on somebody's basic need for health isn't really something i stand for, for the reason of conflict of interest i stated before.

As far as I know, health care isn't considered a constitutional right for americans. Prision inmates are the only people in the country with a constitutional guarantee to free health care.

Other recent studies showed that terrorist in Gitmo get better healthcare than the average american and have better diets than 40% of american children.