One done really well, or many done relatively well? - Page 2

stephenf555 · 02-21-11, 03:21 PM

I'm a recent convert to SH from flight sims, on which I have spent lots of time. It's a similar problem though...for instance, on release of them game will there be 10 planes modeled averagely to get a decent picture of flying different types of machines, or just one or two done really well to give the realism that proper nerds like me enjoy

Flight simulators (well, MS ones anyway) tend to go for a bunch of planes with a bit of realism. Then after market developers and modders bring out unbelievably accurately modeled aircraft down to every last visual, technical and sound detail. In general because of the work involved it is professional developers (See PMG and Captain Sim for ridiculously accurate jumbo jets and hercules aircraft) that bring out these and they are commercially successful.

Just my random 2 cents thrown in from another angle.

Are there commercial ad-ons for SH?

Sailor Steve · 02-21-11, 04:48 PM

Both ideas sound good to me, but I like the less-travelled road, like S-boats and V-boats, so I voted many "pretty good" ones over one "perfect" boat.

I'm goin' down · 02-21-11, 05:53 PM

That's what we're paying your for. Isn't it?

NorthBeach · 02-21-11, 06:02 PM

There are occasions that I decide to see a career through from beginning to end, rather than spend a few weeks in a certain period and boat, then bail for a new situation/challenge. On those occasions, after spending time in a S boat, scrutinizing all the variables, and executing the battle plans, involved to achieve low risk/high return iron-reef construction, being rewarded with a Gato (and those wonderful two additional forward tubes) is like being handed the keys to an F22! Lickety split I'm running to install the 3D TDC Radar mod in anticipation of playing with all the new capabilities & goodies. It would be great not to have to resort to file manipulation to achieve this feeling of glee. Thus, "Fairly Well" works for me.

razark · 02-21-11, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

That's what we're paying your for. Isn't it?

And I'm sure he's more than happy to give you exactly what you've paid for.

Ducimus · 02-21-11, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by razark

And I'm sure he's more than happy to give you exactly what you've paid for.

Armistead · 02-21-11, 07:30 PM

I just prefer each boat be historically close as much as possible.

TorpX · 02-22-11, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Poll results thus far are sorta what i expected.

(Has anyone figured out, i only post polls when i'm up to something? )

I took that for granted.

I think I know what your thinking.....................

If there was a boat with a unique history, a boat that served throughout the war, a boat with proud accomplishments............

If only someone knew of such a boat..........^^^Tautog^^^

Well, I'm stumped.

Ducimus · 02-22-11, 03:18 AM

Yeah.. i was. I shoved it off on a back burner. I needed this poll as a reality check. Once irealized how much effort i was dumping into it, I posted this poll to get a rough idea on how it would go over. I'm guessing not as well as i had hopped. *shrug* fine by me, no sweat off my nose, i just move on to other things.

This bit of brutal honesty brought to you by two double shots of captain morgan. Never drink and post!

Hylander_1314 · 02-22-11, 03:45 AM

If I could Ducimus, I'd pass along a bottle of Meyers Dark or Platinum White rum for ya'! Heck man, you deserve it! Some real good Caribbean rum!

Istar · 02-22-11, 04:51 AM

What I don`t really get here is why it has to be one or the other.

Ducimus, if you wanna bring out a Tautog campaign (like i`ve seen you talk about in another thread) you should just do it. People who rather play TMO and have lots of boats would play that. People wanting a proper build ship including campaign would play that. Or heck just create a double install.
And let`s not forget, at the moment only 30 people voted and it`s 13 to 17. Multiply that percentage with all the people playing SH4 and using mod`s. That`s a hell of a lot of people interested in your new MOD. Probably also some non TMO players.
If you really am interested in building this I`d say go for it. People often don`t know what is good for them anyway.

Just remember "can`t please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

sharkbit · 02-22-11, 08:20 AM

It depends, but I voted for the many types of subs being available.

I would be happy with the one type of submarine done really well, but I don't want a "submarine simulator" as somebody mentioned above. I don't want to trim the boat, load the tubes, operate the diving planes, flush the toilet type of simulator.

I prefer the "submarine commander simulator". I want to set up the attack, evade retaliation, and make those kind of decisions and let my crew operate the boat with a boat that behaves as realistically as possible within the confines of the game.

Bilge_Rat · 02-22-11, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah.. i was. I shoved it off on a back burner. I needed this poll as a reality check. Once irealized how much effort i was dumping into it, I posted this poll to get a rough idea on how it would go over. I'm guessing not as well as i had hopped. *shrug* fine by me, no sweat off my nose, i just move on to other things.

This bit of brutal honesty brought to you by two double shots of captain morgan. Never drink and post!

I am sure whatever you want to do will be well received, especially an in depth look at one boat. I would certainly be interested.

WernherVonTrapp · 02-22-11, 09:55 AM

I voted the "Fairly Well" option. Not that I don't appreciate exacting standards but, I tend to hold myself to higher standards (that I cannot even keep) than I hold others. This translates to appreciation of fine detail by others and no appreciation of myself. Hmmm

, oh well, anyway, in all the times I've been playing, I really don't spend much time meandering about my boat. I visit the various cpmpartments by necessity, not by design. That aside, I do appreciate the small details/touches in TMO that are aren't found anywhere else.

Geez, I hope that makes sense. I'm really tired right now.

02-22-11, 01:21 PM

I've played SHIV for year and half, past year with TMO. Not that I'm bored with it, but I always looked for your newest release and moved to it as soon as I could. Therefore I vote for your "done well" as long as it is a submarine commander simulation, because it would be something new.

View Poll Results: One boat done really well, or many boats done fairly well?
Really well works for me, more detail at the expense of options is a reasonable trade off.	28	45.16%
Fairly well works for me, moderate detail is ok as long as i get alot of choices.	34	54.84%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

02-21-11, 03:21 PM	#16
stephenf555 Watch Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 28 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	I'm a recent convert to SH from flight sims, on which I have spent lots of time. It's a similar problem though...for instance, on release of them game will there be 10 planes modeled averagely to get a decent picture of flying different types of machines, or just one or two done really well to give the realism that proper nerds like me enjoy Flight simulators (well, MS ones anyway) tend to go for a bunch of planes with a bit of realism. Then after market developers and modders bring out unbelievably accurately modeled aircraft down to every last visual, technical and sound detail. In general because of the work involved it is professional developers (See PMG and Captain Sim for ridiculously accurate jumbo jets and hercules aircraft) that bring out these and they are commercially successful. Just my random 2 cents thrown in from another angle. Are there commercial ad-ons for SH? __________________ Install 1: RSRD, TMO, SCAF, Max Optics, TGT Dials to PK, Convoy Routes Map Install 2: OP Monsun, Black Contacts, TMO Keys, Webbers Smoke Install 3: Stock v1.5

02-21-11, 04:48 PM	#17
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Both ideas sound good to me, but I like the less-travelled road, like S-boats and V-boats, so I voted many "pretty good" ones over one "perfect" boat. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-21-11, 05:53 PM	#18
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	make them all perfect That's what we're paying your for. Isn't it?

02-22-11, 03:45 AM	#25
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	If I could Ducimus, I'd pass along a bottle of Meyers Dark or Platinum White rum for ya'! Heck man, you deserve it! Some real good Caribbean rum! __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

02-21-11, 06:02 PM	#19
NorthBeach Torpedoman Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 112 Downloads: 216 Uploads: 0	There are occasions that I decide to see a career through from beginning to end, rather than spend a few weeks in a certain period and boat, then bail for a new situation/challenge. On those occasions, after spending time in a S boat, scrutinizing all the variables, and executing the battle plans, involved to achieve low risk/high return iron-reef construction, being rewarded with a Gato (and those wonderful two additional forward tubes) is like being handed the keys to an F22! Lickety split I'm running to install the 3D TDC Radar mod in anticipation of playing with all the new capabilities & goodies. It would be great not to have to resort to file manipulation to achieve this feeling of glee. Thus, "Fairly Well" works for me.

02-21-11, 07:30 PM	#22
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I just prefer each boat be historically close as much as possible.

02-22-11, 03:18 AM	#24
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah.. i was. I shoved it off on a back burner. I needed this poll as a reality check. Once irealized how much effort i was dumping into it, I posted this poll to get a rough idea on how it would go over. I'm guessing not as well as i had hopped. shrug fine by me, no sweat off my nose, i just move on to other things. This bit of brutal honesty brought to you by two double shots of captain morgan. Never drink and post!

02-22-11, 04:51 AM	#26
Istar Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	What I don`t really get here is why it has to be one or the other. Ducimus, if you wanna bring out a Tautog campaign (like i`ve seen you talk about in another thread) you should just do it. People who rather play TMO and have lots of boats would play that. People wanting a proper build ship including campaign would play that. Or heck just create a double install. And let`s not forget, at the moment only 30 people voted and it`s 13 to 17. Multiply that percentage with all the people playing SH4 and using mod`s. That`s a hell of a lot of people interested in your new MOD. Probably also some non TMO players. If you really am interested in building this I`d say go for it. People often don`t know what is good for them anyway. Just remember "can`t please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

02-22-11, 08:20 AM	#27
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	It depends, but I voted for the many types of subs being available. I would be happy with the one type of submarine done really well, but I don't want a "submarine simulator" as somebody mentioned above. I don't want to trim the boat, load the tubes, operate the diving planes, flush the toilet type of simulator. I prefer the "submarine commander simulator". I want to set up the attack, evade retaliation, and make those kind of decisions and let my crew operate the boat with a boat that behaves as realistically as possible within the confines of the game. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

02-22-11, 09:55 AM	#29
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I voted the "Fairly Well" option. Not that I don't appreciate exacting standards but, I tend to hold myself to higher standards (that I cannot even keep) than I hold others. This translates to appreciation of fine detail by others and no appreciation of myself. Hmmm, oh well, anyway, in all the times I've been playing, I really don't spend much time meandering about my boat. I visit the various cpmpartments by necessity, not by design. That aside, I do appreciate the small details/touches in TMO that are aren't found anywhere else. Geez, I hope that makes sense. I'm really tired right now. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

02-22-11, 01:21 PM	#30
jldjs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I've played SHIV for year and half, past year with TMO. Not that I'm bored with it, but I always looked for your newest release and moved to it as soon as I could. Therefore I vote for your "done well" as long as it is a submarine commander simulation, because it would be something new.