Muslim Cleric Plans White House Protest in Attempt to Spread Sharia Law in America

[Bubblehead1980]

Well I am waiting for the day someone tries to nominate a Muslim for the Supreme Court.I could see Obama doing so if he gets a second term.Wow what a sad, sad day that would be for America.Bad enough we have a muslim in congress and a POSSIBLE one in the white house.

[Platapus]

And why would that be bad?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well I am waiting for the day someone tries to nominate a Muslim for the Supreme Court.I could see Obama doing so if he gets a second term.Wow what a sad, sad day that would be for America.Bad enough we have a muslim in congress and a POSSIBLE one in the white house.

Every day I think that you've hit bottom, but no, there's always another sub-basement.

[Tchocky]

Wah. Thread failure.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

If you think about it though, western society was dictated by Christian morals until people like Gene Simmons and Marilyn Manson came along.

I get your point, and I agree to a point, but it pointedly started a whole lot earlier. Didn't you know Elvis Presley did the Devil's work with those swivelling hips of his?

[Takeda Shingen]

Uh thank you. Thank you very much.

[krashkart]

"Now that's comedy."

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Betonov

And let me guess, no such laws against critisizing christianity.
Don't get me wrong, I made an art form out of mocking christianity, but still it's wrong, whats with all the privilege.
I'm liberal but this is too much

nope, there is no special privilege for Islam. The blasphemy law, as I call it, is valid for all religions:

Section 166 Insulting of Faiths, Religious Societies and Organizations Dedicated to a Philosophy of Life

(1) Whoever publicly or through dissemination of writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) insults the content of others' religious faith or faith related to a philosophy of life in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public peace, shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Whoever publicly or through dissemination of writings (Section 11 subsection (3)) insults a church, other religious society, or organization dedicated to a philosophy of life located in Germany, or their institutions or customs in a manner that is capable of disturbing the public peace, shall be similarly punished.

Source: http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm#166

Personally I think this law is bs. Note that critizism per se is not forbidden, but "capable of disturbing the public peace" can mean anything and nothing. No special muslim section however, all these funny sects can sue someone...

Wah. Thread failure.

Please enlighten us.

Was it Daily Mail that caused it to fail? did the mere mention of Choudray send it into the epic tail spin of doom?
Was it the description of that ignorant non entity as a "Muslim cleric" that condemned the panic to the global mosque of oblivion?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Platapus

And why would that be bad?

Why would it be bad? Hmm lets see....

Islam pretty much contradicts what the US Constitution(the foundation of our society) stands for.Of course the PC crowd will pitch a fit, call me a bigot etc for saying so but that is the reality.Just to be clear though, I am not saying all muslims are bad people but I am saying their major core belief system(Islam) does not fit with our way of life, they can live here but in way should be in such a high office as a Congressman, Senator, President, Supreme Court Justice etc.This explains why we have seemingly peaceful muslims who live here for years then end up committing honor killings on their daughters(case in Texas) or beheading their wives(actual case in NY a couple years back) That is how we end up with the Ft Hood shootings or the multiple terrorist plots foiled since 9/11 that were being planned by muslims who are US citizens.The Ft Hood shooter was a Major in the US Army, American born etc but put his faith above his country as many muslims do.

Another reason, we are in a war against Islamic terrorism and while most muslims are not terrorists and not rooting for the terrorists publicly, many muslims the world over with a wink and nod, some have admitted so in polls.The leaders of muslims nations such as Yemen are cooperative with the US anti terrorism efforts but the citizens of said nations hate us etc and are with the terrorists, certainly in spirit.There is no doubt many muslims inside the US who are sympathetic to the cause of Bin Laden etc.

I dislike all religion to be honest but can live with catholics(Scalia for example, who does not let his religious beliefs influence his decisions contrary to what the libs claim, from what I've seen he always backs his opinions up with the law) but a muslim on the supreme court? That would be a disaster for this country.

Represenative Keith Ellison(D-Minnesota) is a muslim and member of congress.While attending Law School in 1989/1990, Ellison wrote several columns supporting Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam in addition to suggesting that there be a seperate state for black residents.Another article suggested that affirmative action served as a "sneaky" way of reparations for slavery.Ellision also asserted that 9/11 was a "Reichstag Fire" in the US, implying the Bush Admin was behind it and blamed Islam the way the Nazis blaimed communists.Ellison's involvement with the nation of Islam was much longer than the "18 month" time frame he claimed when the issue was raised during his first campaign in addition to his false claims of ignorance to the anti-semetism which Farrakhan and the Nation are known for.Sounds a lot like Obama's claims of ignorance after 20 years with Reverend Wright eh? Get real.

Now imagine if had 20 or 30 muslim votes in the house(that followed Ellision's line of thinking as many, esp those in his league do) or even more? Perhaps a few Senators? esp in key positions. A muslim or two on the Supreme Court? A Muslim President? Supreme Court vote on issues regarding national defense involving a muslim terrorists? or women's rights(you really can't argue the culture is not pro female, even Bill Maher recognizes that) Can you not see where this would cause major problems? This post is not racism, bigotry etc just honest look at things.The PM of the UK said it best when he said multiculturalism has failed, libs will never admit it but the proof is out there for everyone to see.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Every day I think that you've hit bottom, but no, there's always another sub-basement.

I said it is possible.The man's father was muslim, he grew up in Indonesia and given his opposition to Israel, who knows.I think at the very least he is way too sympathetic to islamic views to be President.Look at the apology tour when he first took office etc The war in Afghanistan, I think his "push" is more or less lip service because it does not seem to really have had any effect.Talked to a family friend who just got back, had some very interesting things to say about how the show is being ran over there.I believe McCrystal was correct and well he lost his job over it.
The people who stay in denial of the obvious signs of his weakness in this area are the ones who have hit bottom.

[breadcatcher101]

Anyone care to go to Mecca to speak of Christian values?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Why would it be bad? Hmm lets see....

Islam pretty much contradicts what the US Constitution(the foundation of our society) stands for.Of course the PC crowd will pitch a fit, call me a bigot etc for saying so but that is the reality.Just to be clear though, I am not saying all muslims are bad people but I am saying their major core belief system(Islam) does not fit with our way of life, they can live here but in way should be in such a high office as a Congressman, Senator, President, Supreme Court Justice etc.This explains why we have seemingly peaceful muslims who live here for years then end up committing honor killings on their daughters(case in Texas) or beheading their wives(actual case in NY a couple years back) That is how we end up with the Ft Hood shootings or the multiple terrorist plots foiled since 9/11 that were being planned by muslims who are US citizens.The Ft Hood shooter was a Major in the US Army, American born etc but put his faith above his country as many muslims do.

Another reason, we are in a war against Islamic terrorism and while most muslims are not terrorists and not rooting for the terrorists publicly, many muslims the world over with a wink and nod, some have admitted so in polls.The leaders of muslims nations such as Yemen are cooperative with the US anti terrorism efforts but the citizens of said nations hate us etc and are with the terrorists, certainly in spirit.There is no doubt many muslims inside the US who are sympathetic to the cause of Bin Laden etc.

I dislike all religion to be honest but can live with catholics(Scalia for example, who does not let his religious beliefs influence his decisions contrary to what the libs claim, from what I've seen he always backs his opinions up with the law) but a muslim on the supreme court? That would be a disaster for this country.

Represenative Keith Ellison(D-Minnesota) is a muslim and member of congress.While attending Law School in 1989/1990, Ellison wrote several columns supporting Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam in addition to suggesting that there be a seperate state for black residents.Another article suggested that affirmative action served as a "sneaky" way of reparations for slavery.Ellision also asserted that 9/11 was a "Reichstag Fire" in the US, implying the Bush Admin was behind it and blamed Islam the way the Nazis blaimed communists.Ellison's involvement with the nation of Islam was much longer than the "18 month" time frame he claimed when the issue was raised during his first campaign in addition to his false claims of ignorance to the anti-semetism which Farrakhan and the Nation are known for.Sounds a lot like Obama's claims of ignorance after 20 years with Reverend Wright eh? Get real.

Now imagine if had 20 or 30 muslim votes in the house(that followed Ellision's line of thinking as many, esp those in his league do) or even more? Perhaps a few Senators? esp in key positions. A muslim or two on the Supreme Court? A Muslim President? Supreme Court vote on issues regarding national defense involving a muslim terrorists? or women's rights(you really can't argue the culture is not pro female, even Bill Maher recognizes that) Can you not see where this would cause major problems? This post is not racism, bigotry etc just honest look at things.The PM of the UK said it best when he said multiculturalism has failed, libs will never admit it but the proof is out there for everyone to see.

With those views, you would be just as dangerous to our civil liberties as the Islamists. You would destroy the very thing you purport to preserve.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

With those views, you would be just as dangerous to our civil liberties as the Islamists. You would destroy the very thing you purport to preserve.

Completely wrong Takeda, I did not say I would ban Islam or go after those who hold that belief system.I did however answer the question AND explain why we should not have anyone that subscribes to that faith in a critical position such as Congress, Presidency or SCOTUS.I did not say ban them from holding office, I simply made the argument for WHY they should not and strongly believe Congressman Ellision is a prime example of what we could not afford to have.Luckily Ellision is a congressmen from a relatively minor district and as far as I can tell has no real clout other than his vote, which is too much for someone with his ties and beliefs.There is a line between being tolerant of someone's differing views and allowing people who's core beliefs contradict the very foundation of your nation fanagle their way into power over time, which can lead to the ruin of a nation.Imagine having a muslim supreme court justice who could say freedom of religion extends far enough so that sharia courts such as those in the UK are acceptable in the US? Sounds far fetched but then again it prob did once upon a time in the UK.The apathy shown by many towards the threat of Islam, even after 9/11 amazes me, always will.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

And why would that be bad?

Because Quran and Sharia represents views and teachings that are inhumane and totally incompatible with the value orientation of your constitution, your Bill of Rights, the Amendements, and your canon of laws.

That is why it is bad to have people representing and confessing to this totalitarian and supremacist ideology in your parliaments, your legislation, and your legal and educational system.

Any more rethorical innocent question I can answer for you?